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7.62x39 vs 30-30

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by bg226, Jun 20, 2007.

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  1. bg226

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    How do these two cartridges compare for deer hunting?

    What about distance. Does one cover more distance than the other?


    Thanks.
     
  2. Texas Colt

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    The 30-30 and 7.62x39 are very close ballistically and I have used both on white tails and hogs with great success.

    Ultimately, the keys are shot placement and bullet selection. The Winchester 123 grain soft point ammo for the 7.62x39 has worked well in my SKS. Two years ago my son dropped a 165 pound hog with a single shot from the SKS.

    Also, I would not use either caliber beyond 150 yards (with the exception of Hornady's new Leverevolution ammo for the 30-30).
     
  3. R.W.Dale

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    In contemporary loadings the 7.62x39 will do everything 30-30 will do and then some due to greater retained energy downrange. Comparing Wolf's 154grn SP to Hornady's new leverrevoulution is much less uneven than you'd think. It's like comparing 308 to 30-06 with 150grn bullets. For all intensive purposes they're the same.

    As you can see from the below links about the only real diffrence is 120 FPS and about $16
    http://www.brassfetcher.com/7.62x39mm Wolf 154gr Soft Point.html

    http://www.brassfetcher.com/160grHornady3030.html

    But on ammo price alone I give the x39 the edge, cause cheaper ammo = more practice and that = you becoming a better marksman
     
  4. bg226

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    So these two cartridges have pretty much the same trajectory?

    I've heard all these things about the 30-30 being a close range thing.
     
  5. R.W.Dale

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    NO not really

    a 7.62x39 shoots WAAAAAAY flatter and hits harder at range than a 30-30, UNLESS you shoot that new fangled $20 a box Hornady ammo. In that case they have practically THE SAME trajectory and energy
     
  6. aspade

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    Those stubby, flat based 123 grain bullets aren't remotely aerodynamic either. Federal and Winchester factory charts put their 123gr 7.62x39 softpoints within 2 inches of standard 150 grain .30-30 loads at 300 yards. The Hornady polymer tipped loads are significantly better.

    If you load your own with more aerodynamic bullets, the 7.62x39 is far flatter and harder hitting at longer ranges than standard .30-30 and about even with the Hornady loads. Be aware that most imported rifles have .311 bores and the bullets you'd want to use like the 125 BT are sized .308. This can cause accuracy problems.
     
  7. tube_ee

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    What about bullet weight?

    The .30-30 tends to prefer heavier bullets than the 7.62x39, or at least, the factory loadings say that's true.

    Where the balance is for bullet weight vs velocity is an old argument that will never be settled, but nobody seriously claims that weight doesn't matter.

    This seems maybe like a platform decision rather than a caliber one. If you prefer a levergun, get the .30 WCF. If you like a semi-auto, go 7.62x39. For me, the Winchester and Marlin leverguns carry and point so well that I'd probably take one over an SKS or an AK, if I had to choose.

    Fortunately, this is America, and I can have both. Marlin levergun (in .357 Magnum, but I'd not turn away a .30-30) in house, SKS on the list to buy.

    --Shannon
     
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    I think it has a lot less to do with their ballistics and a whole lot more to do with platform. .30-30 is usually a lever gun. x39 is usually coming out of an autoloader. There are other actions that chamber both of these though, but that's the typical. I'd look into which type of rifle I'd want to hunt with first, then go with the cartridges available in that. Either is going to do fine on deer in the short to medium range arena.


    One area the .30-30 has a clear advantage is in the reloading scene. 7.62x39 reloading isn't the greatest. Less choices in .311 bullets and reloadable brass isn't as prevalent or inexpensive. You can also do lead bullets in .30-30. Most x39 autoloaders beat up the brass badly.
     
  10. AStone

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    Yep.

     
  11. R.W.Dale

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    The problem with that is FACTORY 30-30 velocities are VERY optimistic. From what I've seen chronographing loads is you need to subtract 200 FPS away from ANY published 30-30 velocity.

    Then there's the WEAK domestic x39 loads, Federal 123grn ammo may only go 2300 FPS but Barnual 123grn SP's goes almost 2600 FPS.

    Trust me any x39 load runs off and leaves 30-30 in the dust after 75 yds or so.
     
  12. R.W.Dale

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    Are ya'll sure of that;)


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    http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=151420
     
  13. mustanger98

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    That last deer I killed wasn't much closer than 100yds and he was just as dead just as fast with a 150gr CoreLokt through the lungs from a .30-30, so I'll stick with my old Winchester.
     
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    Don't Tread On Me & Nematocyst probably have it right. What kind of rifle are you happy with, a lever action or an auto. While I like both actions these two calibers would not be my first choices in either action. Never the less with good shot placement either will get the job done. Which action do you like?
    RJ
     
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    I've been looking at the little CZ 527 carbine in 7.62x39mm for years. One day...
     
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    This has been kicked around a few times...one cartridge was made for one thing and so on.


    I don't think the 30-30 is in danger of being removed as the leader of killin' deer. :) lol


    D
     
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    Good point on the overstated .30-30. Domestic ammo is almost all pretty weak. Too many lawyers, too many duplicitous new cartridges of the week to make look better, and (although not applying to .30-30) too many over gunned half box a year deer hunters who don't like recoil.

    That rant done with, I didn't know there was a factory 7.62x39 load that hot, 2600 is smoking and in another class for sure. Know if they expand reliably? Is that 123gr discrete from the 125gr in red and blue boxes?
     
  18. Gewehr98

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    Curious about that statement, myself.

    I've got several thousand rounds of 7.62x39 in my ammo cases, all loaded on my Dillon 550. One of those 125gr Speer SP handloads just happened to squirt out of my Romanian SAR-1 and ventilate a nice doe, putting venison in my freezer last fall.

    My Winchester 94 sat in the safe the whole season, as did all my .30-30 handloads.

    Advantage who? :scrutiny:
     
  19. mustanger98

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    After so many of these threads, it boils down to a matter of what each of us likes better. Some of us like AK/SKS and 7.62x39. Others of us, myself included, like leverguns and .30-30Winchester. The AK fans will surely want to guffaw the levergun, but the fact remains that there are many many many .30-30's out there still in use and will remain so for a long long long time. The deer I've seen harvested with a .30-30 didn't know any more or less difference than those shot correctly with any other round.

    Looks to me like the AK/SKS fans forget we're all gun people and, North or South, East or West, semi-auto or lever, we as hunters should have the same goal of an ethical humane harvest and all our Rights remain on the line.
     
  20. bratch

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    Darn logic.

    I was just getting excited about a caliber war;)

    Pick one they both work or get both.
     
  21. W.E.G.

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    I like my Winchester, and my Marlin, and my Romy, and my Yugo....

    Its all good.
     
  22. mustanger98

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    Sorry, bratch... I guess I must have got more excited than you and dropped that logical nuke too soon.:D

    Yeah, I have a Yugo too. But mine's a M48 in 8mmMauser. I've got the stripper clip of impending doom too.:neener:
     
  23. R.W.Dale

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    Who ya callin a SKS/AK fan fool:D I own one SKS and it hasn't been shot in over three years. In fact if it wasn't a gift gun I would sell it.


    I'll have ya know that I shoot my 7.62x39 out of one of these thank you very much
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    Now if you want a caliber war start a 30-30 vs 35 rem thread:evil:
     
  24. bratch

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    I just bought one like the bottom just gotta send my money and order a couple cases of Wolf 154.:D
     
  25. R.W.Dale

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    The Wolf 154grn ammo is DA BOMB, I gave up on trying to match it's velocity and ballistics with 150grn handloads. In the CZ the stuff goes 2200FPS my best 150grn handload would only clock 2078 FPS.

    And pretty darn accurate to boot 2.0 MOA on average. In my rifle it's by far the most accurate 7.62x39 factory ammo
     
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