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7.62x39 vs. deer results...

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by J23, Nov 24, 2008.

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  1. J23

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    This morning between 830 and 9am, a big doe came into the stand I was hunting on my propety. (WV opener...)

    She was standing quartering away at approximatly 20ish yards. I was elevated 25 feet in my stand.

    I held half way up and towards the rear of the ribs and put one through her out of my 7.62x39 CZ carbine. The bullet entered halfway up, right where I held, angled forward and down exiting in the 'pocket' just behind the off shoulder.

    She pinwheeled, layed for approximatly 10 seconds, got up and ran about 30 yards and laid down. When I got to her about five minutes later, she was still alive! I administered the coup de grace with my .22 handgun I carry with me to the rear of her head, which was up off the ground. Im not sure how cohereant she was, but I was a little upset when I seen the shot and how long it took her to expire.

    The load used max 28.5 grains of AA2015BR at round 2300 fps. The bullet was a Hornady 123 grain .310" Interlock (OLD, OLD lot, the lead tips had frosted,) Win. Cases and CCI 200 primers.

    The autopsy revealed that the bullet entered and exited with a hold about the size of a dime. The heart was just missed, which the bullet only really hitting the lungs and some of the plumbing, no bones were struck. To me anyhow, used to a .270 and 130 grain Ballistic tips, the bullet didnt seem to expand. I looked behind where she was standing and couldnt locate it. As that bullet is designed for that caliber, I was under the impression that it would expand at lower velocties? ...especially that close? Do you guys think, from your experiences that the bullet did its job, expanding? The lungs where a mess, as they always are, deflated and I for one can never really follow a bullets path through them. I guess I was just expecting a larger exit hole???? Could the bullet's age and the fact that the tips were frosted be a contributing factor? To me, it just seemed liek the bullet acted like a FMJ?

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Funderb

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    You might try a nice hollow point.
    Some times soft points don't do so well if they don't hit something moderately hard.
     
  3. BornAgainBullseye

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    Bump those interlocks and get the .308 110grain AMAX or the SPEER 125grain TNT hollow point. Longer range may suffer due to the .308 vs .310 bore, but within 100 yards you will be able to dispatch deer.
     
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    The Hornady 123gr .3105 SP tends to be a little soft (especially when compared to the Sierra 125gr), and even with the itty bitty deer we get in Teaxas I usually see a nickel-to-quarter size exit hole. Dunno why your didn't, but that's not ordinary.

    A double-lung shot certainly is a killing shot.
     
  5. J23

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    Do you think the bullet's age had anything to do with them... as I said, the exposed lead tips are frosted... not the usual lead color. I used my thumbnail and its shiny lead underneith.
     
  6. R.W.Dale

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    Without equal in 7.62x39 the 125grn nosler ballistic is tip the deer bullet. When I had a cz527 carbine I shot many of these bullets and they always delivered outstanding accuracy. These bullets are perfect for this chambering because according to nosler they'll reliably expand at impact velocities as low as 1600 fps

    Also ditch the AA2015BR and buy some aa1680 or n120, both these propellants will push 125g bullets beyond 2400 fps in a cz carbine.

    see this tread where I used this bullet on a large doe from a 7.62x39mm ar15 at 278yds
    http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=405210

    On a double lung shot you need to give the animal much much more time than 5 minutes to expire......trust me!
     
  7. Funderb

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    Could have just been a bad bullet. Lead does not harden with age. Just an unlucky day for the deer.
     
  8. R.W.Dale

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    well the deer did only manage go a few yds, so how exactly did the bullet fail?
     
  9. Shade00

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    I was planning on hunting a little with my SKS using Wolf 153gr soft points, but changed my mind at the last minute and picked up a Stevens in 7mm-08. Still, if I were hunting whitetail, I would take the Wolf or Corbon 150-ish grain soft points. Ballistically they're a lot closer to 30-30 than the 123gr stuff.
     
  10. Shawnee

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    Do I understand the path of the bullet correctly?:confused:

    She was "quartering away" and the bullet entered the near side at the back of the ribs and center (top-to-bottom of the deer) and, traveling at a fairly steep angle, exited nearly at the bottom of the chest behind the off-side leg?

    If I understand correctly, then I would think your bullet did little except rip through a little of the back of the lungs (or lung), deflating them, of course. I would expect her to live a few minutes with such a shot and probably to run too.

    The steeper the downward angle the higher on the deer you want your bullet to enter.

    From 25 ft. in the air and a target 20 yds. away, I would place the shot higher on the body - probably tucked right above the line of the "elbow" and crowding the front so the bullet would exit in front of and low of the off-shoulder. That placement would likely wreck the spine and/or near shoulder and slice through the top of one or both lungs. Hitting the spine would have dropped her right there and may well have killed her instantly.

    :cool:
     
  11. MD_Willington

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    FreeRangeYoda covered quite a bit of 7.62*39 with a lot of comparisons. IIRC he posted the results at the AK Forum.

    Barnaul loaded with the Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant 8M3 round usually work quite well...

    see this post

    http://thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4984497&postcount=12

    Now you need to find just the Sapsan/Ulyanovsk 8M3 HP bullet and you can "Roll your own"
     
  12. nathan

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    Those Ulyanovsk HP 8M3 s are devastating on hogs at closed range. My son put one down at 20 yds. The exit was like a baseball size wound.
     
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    My dad uses a mini-30 loaded with soft points. He didn't get a deer yet this year but last year he dropped a nice one with two shots of federal 123 grain soft point at about 50 yards. The first shot went behind the heart and through the lungs. The deer dropped but started to get up again and he shot again and hit it in the spine, it died quickly after that. I'm not convinced the second shot was needed but he really doesn't like to try and track deer in a swamp.

    You could always try the EXTREME SHOCK KALASHOCK ammo.:cool:
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    Only $50 for a box of 20.:barf:

    What will that mall ninja company come up with next?
     
  14. xd45gaper

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    you should have used an AK with a 40 round Mag. i mean really who shoots a deer ONCE? once she jumped up you should have put the slector on plunder and let the lead really fly!!!:neener:

    lol i carry a home brewed romanian G, with 5 rounds of 154 grain wolf SP. sorry i havent shot a deer yet this year with one so i cant report on how well they kill.

    i orginally was going to carry the wolf HP iirc they are 125 grain HP. once i found out they had 154 grain bullets for 7.62x39 i bought those with the thinking that a heavier bullet would do more damage compared to a smaller lighter hollow point. i could be wrong though!
     
  15. R.W.Dale

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    that extreme shock stuff looks suspiciously like 154grain wolf with the SP replaced with a Hornady leverrevolution 30-30 bullet
     
  16. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Hmmm, you may be onto something there - wouldn't put it past them...
     
  17. goon

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    The frosted lead shouldn't have mattered at all.
    I think at 20 yards, if at all possible the best solution is to aim for the head. I've never seen a deer run away from a good head shot.
    It's also way more forgiving about bullet construction. ;)
     
  18. MT GUNNY

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    7.62x39? I hope you weren't using the AK 47:eek:, that's just not Ethical:scrutiny: for hunting, Just to many rounds that you could use to Kill.:rolleyes:




    :D
    I know you were using a CZ.
     
  19. Paladin_Hammer

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    Huh. Try Remington made cartridges. Specifically anything 123 grain. Worked fine for me.
     
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    well.. the 7.62 worked great for me the one time I took a deer with it, out of a Yugo SKS at about 125yds, first shot, few seconds later... dead deer....

    using wolf FMJ.....

    ip.
     
  21. Macmac

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    I think your deer doesn't watch Hollywood movies, and so didn't know to just drop dead. I'ld say you shot pretty well, but if you want faster kills, which is evident study the books harder, so you see the organs you intend to stop working more instantly and from the angles you expect to be shooting from.

    A little lead oxide is meaningless. It is a simple fact wild animals just don't always drop, no matter how hard they get hit.

    I shot a deer a long time ago, and have no memory of what ammo it was, but the gun was a 03 Springfield in 30-06. That bullet went thru the heart and both lungs, but I thought I missed clean.

    The deer ran off over 1/4 mile and i found a hidiouse site when I found it. The whole woods in a 10 foot circle was tangled in red bits of lung, heart, blood everywhere up to 8 feet high, and that deer was about tied in a knott.

    Another time with that same gun I shot a really big buck, dead on straight to the chest. That bullet cut the heart in half, and ruined both lungs and exited out the back end of the deer low, so no bad meat. But that deer just stood there looking around for me. I could see the bullet hole I was so close, and that deer seemed to stand there a long time, before it turned and walked away slow.

    It was just like it wasn't shot at all.. I don't know for sure, but when I gutted it in about a hours time after it sauntered off and I allowed it to, the gut pile stanke of booze, That deer had been into some old ground dropped apples and I think that deer must have been tanked but good.

    Since then I have been using a brown bess, which seems to tip em over pretty hard.

    I think you did fine...
     
  22. deepsouthshooter

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    was that .22 handgun rimfire? if so, was that legal in your state to kill a deer with a rimfire handgun??
     
  23. Funderb

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    no need for legal semantics here, DSS. ^^^
     
  24. NCsmitty

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    I think your rifle bullet did what it was designed to do. A lung shot isn't always instantaneous. The 7.62x39 doesn't have the shock effect like the 270 that you're used to, but it did take the deer down. And you dispatched the animal as any compassionate hunter would do.
    I'm sure you'll enjoy the bounty that the good Lord provided.

    NCsmitty
     
  25. rangerruck

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    several factors were against you; all that you think is right, you were too close, it was still too fast, dear are thin, and light targets, the bullet didn't open up, the deer wasn't thick enought to open it up, didn't hit anything hard. A hollow point wouldve proly done the job, that close up.
     
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