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7.62x54r

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by zamboxl, Dec 8, 2006.

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  1. zamboxl

    zamboxl Member

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    anybody shoot the heavy ball surplus through their mn, how does it like 174gr, or 180 gr? does you 91/30 likes heavy ball or light ball?
     
  2. Ash

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    In my experience, the Mosins tend to favor the heavier ball over light ball.

    Ash
     
  3. jagdpanzer347

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    Mosins seem to be picky about ammo. The best thing to do is try several different "brands" and bullet weights to see what yours likes best.

    -jagd
     
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    My 91/30 and M44 like Czech 147 grain, my M39 likes the 174 and 180 grain.
     
  5. Clean97GTI

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    My M44 seems to like Czech light ball.
    Granted it will fire anything resembling 7.62x54R. The best fireballs seem to come from the old heavy ball. Something around 50's production in the 174gr variety should do it.
     
  6. Mr White

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    My M44 seems to prefer 147 gr light ball. My shoulder prefers me to shoot light ball in my M44.

    My M39 and my M28s shoot well with either. I haven't been able to determine if heavy or light ball shoots better. They both seem about the same.
     
  7. Kymasabe

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    Mine all so far favor the lighter ball.
     
  8. worker

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    I only have a silver tip version of
    http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo004.htm


    and locks up my damn bolt practically all the time....


    I got many recommendations, people say it is due to laqured ammo. So I will basically use
    a 12 gage wirebrush and clean the chamber.
    I will also grease the bolt instead of light gun oil as I was doing before... will see what happens.


    I shot 50 yards small scale targets with that thing, the gun is much better than my skill.
     
  9. zamboxl

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    curently i shoot the light ball but i see some comercial 180gr on aimssurplus at a good price so i was just wondering. My 91/30 shoots a little high with the 147gr at 75 yards but that is expected, lets just say the rifle is better than me.
     
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    Most of my mosins do very well with the Czech light ball. A number of my Finnish mosins however like the heavy ball (Hungarian).
     
  11. armoredman

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    The M38 likes the Polish stuff best, and the 91/30 likes the Silvertip stuff, when it comes down to surplus, but I get FAR better results with the 91/30 with Hornady 150gr SP .312 loaded over 39gr of H4895...
     
  12. TIMC

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    I have been putting Silver Bear ammo though mine and shooting decent groups at 100 yards. I just got some new dies and brass for 7.62x54 and loaded some test loads with 180 grain ammo using 2 different powders. I am also going to try some 150 grain bullets to see if they do any better. I am going to try and get out tomorrow if the weather is nice.
    Here is a 100 yard 5 shot group with the Silver Bear 180 grain.
    [​IMG]
     
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  13. armoredman

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    Very nice - you should do fantastic with handloads!
     
  14. darkknight

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    sorry

    not trying to steal this thread but when yall mean your rifles dont like certain ammo what does that mean exactly? does it mean it wont fire it or just not accurately or caus eothe rproblem? sorry just trying to understand it.
     
  15. Cosmoline

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    Mosins in particular tend to do best with a particular weight. I've had M-39's that shoot best with 200 grain loads and M-44's that really like light ball. When you have a new Mosin, the best thing to do after basic accurizing is bring an array of loads and test fire to see what the rifle likes. You can then sight in for that load.
     
  16. 270Win

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    darkknight, you had it right with "just not accurately."
     
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    didnt know it came in different loads all ive seen commercial is 185gr and the surplus i bought are wrapped in wax paper or something just assumed they were 185gr since its all ive seen
     
  18. zamboxl

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    there is alot more than that, i seen as low in weight as 147gr, and as high up as 200, or 203 gr, wich is why we are talking about what the rifles like best. The general concensus at the time is, it varies from rifle to rifle.
     
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    i have a Mosin-Nagant M.1891/1930 and a M.1938. I shot the Czech silver tip, Hungarian ball, Russian sniper, ect my rifles like them all and they are just as accurate with any of them. I have even used some of that Silver Bear SP ammo, but mostly i shoot surplus and see no difference in one or the other
     
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    my 38 likes them all, including the 205 grainers.
     
  21. sh3rm4nt4nk

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    stripped barrel

    Dont mean to highjack this thead but has anyone removed the wood around the barrel and noticed an accuracy improvemnt? I read that anything attached to the barrel disrupts the harmonics during firing, affecting accuracy. Snipers in WWI &WWII sometimes cut off all the wood attached to the barrel and modern high accuracy barrels are bare. I just bought an M38 and I was curious.
     
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    My PSL prefers the heavy ball from a reliability standpoint. Jury is still out on accuracy until I figure out the optic.
     
  23. Cosmoline

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    sh3rm4nt4nk, you don't need to denude the barrel to do that. The Finns used shims to lift the receiver and barrel up and float it. You can use scrap brass or aluminum to do the same yourself. Just stack them up until the barrel passes the dollar bill test.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    There are also sporter stocks you can transfer the action over to, though they're pretty ugly.
     
  24. maasenstodt

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    Any other tips on accurizing, Cosmo?
     
  25. Cosmoline

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    Make sure the receiver screws are hand tight, clean the chamber as well as the bore. Pick one out with a good crown in the first place.
     
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