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7.65x53 Argentine

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by tahoe2, Sep 1, 2012.

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  1. tahoe2

    tahoe2 Member

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    Anybody reload this round for the 1891 mauser? and do you like it (the mauser). Have you hunted with it? don't like it ? etc...
    Are the jacketed bullets .311 or .312? and has anyone used lead with good results? this gun would be for plinking fun, as I have others I use for hunting.

    44 reads and no takers? I saw two 1891 rifles in the pawn shop yesterday and was thinking of buying one.
    I just wanted to hear about others experience with em, good or bad?
     
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  2. MMCSRET

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    I load for a '91 Carbine. Great shooter, I use Hornady .312 bullets, haven't tried cast. I do have several molds that could work, just never went that far. The little gun is superbly accurate, mine is an Oberndorf gun. This carbine is unaltered from the original configuration; short, light and a pleasure to shoot.
     
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  3. Patocazador

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    I reload this cartridge but I shoot a 1909 model converted to a Mannlicher style. The cartridge is about equal to a .308. Can't help you with the '91.
     
  4. wrench

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    I've reloaded a lot of 7.65 Arg with jacketed bullets, using .311".
    Superb accuracy in a 1909 and 1891 rifle.
    Just starting to experiment with lead, only preliminary results so far.
     
  5. PJSprog

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    I had a coworker ask me yesterday if I could load some rounds for his '91 Mauser in 7.65 x 53. The brass for these looks a bit expensive. I've read elsewhere that you can size and trim down .30-06 cases. Has anyone done this? And, will my regular .30-06 sizing die work? Never had to resize anything.
     
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    PJSprog, you'll need a set of 7.65 Argentine dies. You can run the 30-06 through them to size them properly and then trim them to the right length for 7.65. Depending on your dies, you may need to trim prior to resizing. Then keep in mind that this resized brass may have a smaller volume than regular 7.65, so start on the lower end with powder charges. Good luck.
     
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    Thanks, Jimfern. That was actually what I meant ... 7.65 dies. (caffeine hasn't kicked in yet) I was just wondering if there was a special die required. Like I said, I've never had to resize anything for what I shoot, so this will be a new adventure for me. The '06 case looks pretty close to the specs for the 7.65, and it's WAY cheaper. I always start at minimum loads, too, so pressure shouldn't be a problem.

    Great info here. Much appreciated.

    ~PJS~
     
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    As far as the rifle goes, I have had one for years, and in fact I took my very first deer with it many years ago. One shot with Norma commercial ammo. I've never reloaded for it though, as for plinking, I just use old surplus ammo I aquired years ago. The rifle itself is still dead nuts accurate, more so than me anymore.
     
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    I've been loading for my '95 Mauser in 7x57 for years. The brass is plentiful and relatively inexpensive. It, too, is a great shooter.

    This 7.65 looks like an interesting cartridge.
     
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    I've been making 7.65 Arg from 30-06 brass for my mod 1909 for about 40 years now. Works fine but you may have to anneal the case necks.
     
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    I think all of my guns shoot like that, Searcher4851...more accuracy than I can squeeze out of them.
     
  12. MSgtEgress

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    The 1909 Argentine is arguably the finest Mauser action ever made. I have an unmolested one and 2 custom rifles built on their actions they are like butter! I Hope to start reloading the 7.65 this summer. Good to know you can form brass from the 30-06. If anyone has a good pet load please post it!
     
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    My 1909 isn't all that accurate. The best I've been able to do is about 1.5" @100 yds. (3 shots)
    It's probably my barrel. I found that IMR 4064 worked best with Hornady 150 gr. with a .312" diameter. I reform my cases from 7x57 cases. It's easier to put them through the press than the .30-06 cases.
    I killed a spike with it this year with a short neck shot.
     
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    Pato, 1.5 inch is VERY respectable with with a scope let alone iron sights! I use 4064 in my 7mm-08. Post that recipe!
     
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    You would be better off starting with some 7mm or 8mm Mauser brass and resizing to 7.65 Argentine. Lot less brass to get rid of. With the .30-06 you end up removing almost a cm of brass.
     
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    I hadn't even thought about using 7x57 brass. I have plenty of that around for my '95. Thanks, guys.
     
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    "Anybody reload this round for the 1891 mauser?"

    Yes.

    " and do you like it (the mauser)."

    Yes.

    "Have you hunted with it?"

    Yes.

    "Are the jacketed bullets .311 or .312?

    Yes.

    "...and has anyone used lead with good reult? "

    Yes, good.

    My old '91 had no rust and a perfect bore which I cut to 24", welded on a new bent bolt handle, installed M700 iron sights - front and rear. Cut the magazine to two rounds and cobbled up a new lifter spring and follower and then reshaped the trigger guard to match. Hot blued it all. Set it in a Bishop Classic stock with a black fore end tip and grip cap, installed a Pacmeyer 1" pad then Tru-Oil finished it. Added QD sling swivels. It looks nice but it's nothing any genius with a moderately well equipped home shop couldn't do. Only the stepped barrel gives it away as an ex-military rig.

    Load reformed '06 brass with 150 gr. Hornady (.303) spire points to about 2500 fps and deer can't tell the difference from my .30-06. Bench accuracy is as good as I can shoot anything with open irons, just under 2 moa.

    Two grandsons started deer hunting with it by shooting Lyman #211299 200 gr./GC cast bullets loaded to about 1800 fps and they loved it.
     
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    For years we necked up 308 cases to accept .311/.312 bullets and used them in 1891 and 1909 guns. the 308 case is only 2MM short, a couple firings and they are perfect. No need to go to all the trouble of sizing back and cutting down 30-06 cases, that will just give you thick necks that might need to be turned or reamed. lots more work than necessary.
     
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