7 year prison sentence for legal purchases of firearms

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not really sure how to read your reply 1stmarine....


A law to silence citizens will not pass.
These laws will never pass as they will not even be proposed.
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I guess you missed the "hush Rush" law that was was both proposed and came very close to passing under Clinton's admin.

The supreme court was very clear and these majors, politicians, layers and anyone opposing to the constitution must be brought to justice.
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Actually, what they said was that the law can not be enforced. Nobody.... absolutely nobody, has been brought to justice. And nobody will be, because Daily and his CPD goons hide behind their government immunity.

If Mr. Heller and Mr. McDonald didn't have the NRA take up their case, they would still be deprived of their second amendment rights, as there is no way either of them could afford their "due process" (meaning justice for those that can afford it and eating crow for those that can't). But don't plan on the NRA coming to your rescue, as they are very, very selective and only jump to defend individuals who's case is aligned with their narrowly focused strategic aims. I'm not knocking the NRA.... they've won major strategic victories for us all. But apparently, when this sad sap in NJ lost his "tactical engagement", he got "no soup".
 
I lived in New Jersey from December 16 ,1953 to 1972 November 2
While I was a resident I got the required firearma purchase permit whan I reached 18 years of age. Got fingerprinted and the whole nine yards. Bought my HY Score pellet gun for about $35.00 and a Ithica 37 for $125.00
I left for the Navy and cme back when I turned 21 years old. I wanted to buy a 28 Smith and Wesson so went to the West Deptford PD to get a hand gun permit. i thought it would be a background check and pay some money since I had the long gun card.
How wrong was I ? Who ever it was there gave me the 3rd degree like I was John Dillinger and by and by I got sick of his disrepctful questions as to my intent.
So I told the officer to forget it i would get my gun in Virginia. his reply was "you can't do that". I said I was changing my perminant residency to Virginia and would never be back.
If I ever think of moving to that jack booted state not only do I deserve to be locked up for being unstabel.
I never forgot the US Post office opening my Daisy toy gun in 1958. It was ordered from the back of a magazine with some money I earned for doing chores. I felt violated then and it left an impression on me.
Abusive power mad elitist jakbooted thugs.
I also found out the political patronage back there is alive and well.
A relitive just passed and in his obit was his sttus as a Speccial Officer, given him for his political activity and donations tot he force. He had his concealed permit and more rights than the "regular people".
May god Save Our Republic.
 
Well the judge is out of line, the behavior with the law in his court being the law he sees fit to tell you about is pretty standard in NJ.

Upon hearing more of both sides of the story though, I think the guy sitting in jail is pretty screwed.

The problem is that now, he shouldn't be convicted for the transportation. However, he had 16 round magazines. Possession of such is a effectively a felony in NJ (our legal system doesn't actually use the terms felony or misdemeanor). Then to that, he had hollow points. Which are not illegal in nj... unless you possess them in the commission of a felony (translating once again for the real world).

So it appears that he did break the law as it is written at the moment, regardless of how stupid the laws are. Honestly, even with Heller and McDOnald, I'm not sure you get much ammo to fight capacity restrictions.
 
So it appears that he did break the law as it is written at the moment, regardless of how stupid the laws are.
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There have been more than a few felons who have committed subsequent felonies and have been granted probation by some "enlightened" judges. The fellow in question has no prior record and is sentenced to prison for seven years for breaking a "stupid" law? Violating a "technicality", some would argue. Where does common sense and fair-play weigh in here?
 
Then to that, he had hollow points. Which are not illegal in nj... unless you possess them in the commission of a felony
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Not correct. Lots of people state and re-state that (only illegal if you're committing a crime). The actual statute, however, makes possession generally illegal, but grants exemptions:

2C:39-3f: Any person, other than a LEO or persons engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f of 2C:39-6, who knowingly has in his possession any hollow nose of dum-dum bullet [...] is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree
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Further, 2C:39-3g says the above doesn't apply for possessing HP's in your home, or from transporting them from a place of purchase to your home.


BUT... here's the kicker. The moving exemption, that Brian claims made it legal for him to transport his firearms, is contained in 2C:39-6e - not 2C:39-6f. So, even if it could be established that he was moving, and even if he didn't possess magazines over 15-round capacity, he could STILL be charged with 2C:39-3f, possession of hollow-points.
 
I need to read more about this case. If, in fact, this citizen broke any of these arbitrary state or city laws by mistake, there is no doubt the punishment was excessive and totally unnecessary.

The criminals must love all these laws. They give them clearance to steal, rape and kill w/o fear that honest citizens might be able to defend their homes, families and themselves.

I am now more worry about many other things than any gun laws. I am worry about not being able to have an opinion w/o fear. I am worry about being targeted due to a sticker I have in my car or my cultural background.
I am worry about police states. Also young military and deputies with the idea that they are the heavy arm of the law at any cost. The military and police also have families and kids and I am pretty sure they do not want them to grow w/o freedom or in fear.

Remember that not long ago in America it was ok for a Sheriff to order a deputy to beat up African American Citizens? The fights, the struggle. Any deputy should have known better and say, "I will not obey that law". Also just recently remember what happened in Katrina, people were arrested in a big concentration camp against their will when there was pillage, death and disease inside that dome.
There was a barricade over the bridge with a military checkpoint and you could not get out. How did we allow for this to happen people?

Governments are out of control and there is a huge need not just to reduce spending but to limit the powers of legislators with personal popularity agendas, specially when their interests directly collide with the most fundamental rights and principals that have been the great pillars of support for our great nation.

I am a veteran. I have a family and kids and at some point I felt really bad about myself because I was just complaining a lot but actually didn't do much about it. This has changed now and the more I do the more I want to do and the better I feel.

I created this post for whoever is interested in reading about some of the things I am doing and some new ideas to help.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=559899

There is hope but you have to fight. Freedom cannot defend by itself. It needs the work and sacrifice of brave determined citizens.

What have you done so far?

Cheers,
E.
 
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I need to read more about this case. If, in fact, this citizen broke any of these arbitrary state or city laws by mistake, there is no doubt the punishment was excessive and totally unnecessary.

The criminals must love all these laws. They give them clearance to steel, rape and kill w/o fear that honest citizens might be able to defend their homes, families and themselves.

I am now more worry about many other things than any gun laws. I am worry about not being able to have an opinion w/o fear. I am worry about being targeted due to a sticker I have in my car or my cultural background.
I am worry about police states. Also young military and deputies with the idea that they are the heavy arm of the law at any cost. The military and police also have families and kids and I am pretty sure they do not want them to grow w/o freedom or in fear.

Remember that not long ago in America it was ok for a Sheriff to order a deputy to beat up African American Citizens? Any deputy should have known better and say, "I will not obey that order". Also more recently remember what happened in Katrina, people were arrested in a big concentration camp against their will when there was pillage, death and disease inside that dome.
There was a barricade over the bridge with a military checkpoint and nobody could get out. How did we allow for this to happen people?

Governments are out of control and there is a huge need not just to reduce spending but to limit the powers of majors, governors, judges and all legislators with personal popularity agendas, specially when their interests directly collide with the most fundamental rights and principals that have been the pillars of support for our great nation.

I am a veteran. I have a family and kids and at some point I felt really bad about myself because I was just complaining a lot but actually didn't do much. This has changed now. The more I do the more I want to do and the better I feel.

I created this post for whoever is interested in reading about some of the things I am doing and some new ideas to help.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=559899

There is hope but you have to fight. Freedom cannot defend by itself. It needs the work and sacrifice of brave determined Americans.

So what have you done?

Cheers,
E.
 
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I feel bad for this guy. I would like too know what he did in the first place to get the police involved and how they knew he had guns and ammo.
 
I sent the governor a very firmly worded email about this.

He was within the law. New Jersey law makes exceptions for people who are moving and/or packing. Even the arresting officer testified that this was the case. THE PRESIDING JUDGE refused to instruct the jury that the law made this exception.
 
I read a newspaper article --do not remember where just a few days ago that Governor Christy would make a decison around Christmas on whether or not he is going to grant a pardon.
 
I sent the governor a very firmly worded email about this.
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MLJDECKCARD,
How can I help? Where do I send the letter? I live in Communist NY State but it doesn't matter. I will write him too. We need to get this citizen out of jail.

Somebody said that the governor is considering to grant a pardon? It is such an Hippocratic situation. He should get him out of jail ASAP, apologize publicly to him and all the US Citizens and compensate this man for damages and suffering.

Otherwise sue the deputies, the judge and everyone involved for violating his constitutional rights.

Lets stop the police states and the abuses of legislators and law makers.

Cheers,
E.
 
Google New Jersey State governor's office.

And don't let anyone tell you that no one reads these. They read EVERYTHING. Christie was a high-profile election, and he has presidential aspirations. Be polite, but be strong, I told him that his being imprisoned was unacceptable, and he needs to be pardoned to demonstrate to other judges that they cannot throw the law out the window when presiding over cases. (The judge is no longer sitting.) I told him that I cannot ever visit the state of New Jersey as long as the application of law there is so hazardous, and the people are made so unsafe.
 
Tom Gresham said yesterday that Governor Christie's office was going to make an announcement regarding this case soon. If he pardons him in time for Christmas, I will be the biggest cheerleader he has when he runs for president. (And I will email him again and tell him that's why.)
 
Does a pardon mean that the conviction is overturned as opposed to commuting the sentence?

If so a pardon is the only just thing to do in this case.
 
Its a step in the right direction, but its not over. He has to win his appeal, which i am sure he will. I want to thank the NJ2AS for all the work they put into this, even though the rally was canceled. We know we cannot stop here. There is more to come so stay tuned!!


www.nj2as.com
 
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