7600p as truck gun (& a couple of questions)

[Dr.Rob]

good points:

Dad's is a 760 carbine bought in the late 70's early 80's...

1. I've seen that rifle put 3 bullets through the bottom of a styrofoam cup at 300 yards.

2. fast handling.

3. durable (its been all over Colorado in every kind of weather and only frozen solid once after a dip in abeaver pond) 870 inspired action.

bad points:

1. If you want it as a 'defense' gun the mag release is wonky, esp with gloves.

2. The 'tac' model has a short barrel and a long sight radius (peep on the receiver) the std. model has a short sight radius (ramped rear on the bbl.)

3. no place to hang flashlights/lasers etc everyone ends up putting on 'tac' rifle.

4. big magazines are hit or miss, and really change how it handles.


I think its a great hunting rifle, I'm not sure the sights and short barrel and dull finish make it a better rifle.

 

[ArmedBear]

Since we're on the topic of rifles of a utility type, I've been told the Kel-Tec SU16s, except for the C model, are available in Ca. Are the Saigas or VEPRs available there, or do they fall under the AK ban?

Saigas are expressly banned, though there are some odd brands that are not. They're hard to get, since no one is actively marketing them.

We have a double ban: one based on make and model, one based on features. Saigas are included in the make and model ban, despite their having features that are identical to, say, a perfectly legal Mini-30, 7400, or BAR. It's just their association with the AK that led our idiot legislators to include them.

VEPR's are banned based on features (detachable magazine plus thumbhole). It might be possible to shoehorn one in, although RPK's are banned by model, by modifying the magazine to be fixed. I've never cared to do that with an AK, though with an AR it's perfectly viable.

Certain AR lowers are legal, since they're not listed by make and model, but only if they're assembled according to legal limits on features (no detachable magazine in combo with a PG, flash hider, or collapsible stock).

Stupid law, all around, especially in combo with a 10-round magazine limit, which, if enforceable, would be the only law with any impact on firepower.

WRT the 750, the 7600 has similar balance. Again, it's like a Remington receiver shotgun, and they're renowned for pointability.

 

[X-Rap]

Rem pump

In my family the 760 is a hit. My dad has a 280 carb. that goes back as long as I remember (1960s ?). Either one of us can pretty much afford to shoot what we want now. We both buy any that are rare in cal. or are carb.and priced right.I have a chopped 30-06 with a muzzle break low power Leopold scope and syn. furniture that my oldest son shot his first elf with. The old 280 has put more meat on the ground than any gun in our family and probably more than any I know. In a family that owns everything from Mil-spec to Acu-Mark it is a testiment that the 760 ranks in the top 10 of go to guns. I don"t think you can go wrong with one And would be happy with one for hunting or shooting zombies.

 

[falling leaves]

If you are looking for low cost truck guns, check out some shows. When I bought my 760 (in 30-06) there were two others the same table, and none were tagged at more than $325. FWIW mine is an early model (mid 50's) and had an excellent bore and chamber. I've put about 200 rounds through it, and drug it to Alaska on a caribou hunt with no hint of a malfunction. The finish is worn - it could use a good blueing, but servicability is outstanding for a $229 rifle.

 

[ChristopherG]

I have a chopped 30-06 with a muzzle break low power Leopold scope and syn. furniture that my oldest son shot his first elf with.

A 30-06 is a lot of gun for an elf.

 

[ArmedBear]

A 30-06 is a lot of gun for an elf.

Coke coming out of nose.

 

[AStone]

<chuckles>

X-rap, I know you're new here (8 posts to now), so speaking for myself
(and I suspect our friends), I'm laughing with you about your elf typo, not at you.

Sometimes, typos are just fun. (I love it when I make funny ones unintentionally...)

I can see a whole new genre of threads soon:

What calilber for elf?

Bolt action or semi-auto for gnome? Etc.

Fairy questions, of course, probably belong in Shotguns (since they fly...)

 

['Card]

A 30-06 is a lot of gun for an elf.

Dude, if you think a .30-06 is too much for elf hunting, then it's clear you've never hunted an elf.

Trust me on this one. The may seem small and... happy (not that there's anything wrong with that) but if you try stopping a charging elf with anything less than 12-gauge slugs, the last thing you'll see on this earth will be curly-toed shoes and pointy ears in 3D.

 

[JShirley]

Hm. I'm getting a 7600 in .35 Whelen and adding Williams sights.

Personally, I think the ideal truck gun won't look military...7600 works, especially in wood trim.

 

[X-Rap]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChristopherG
A 30-06 is a lot of gun for an elf.

Dude, if you think a .30-06 is too much for elf hunting, then it's clear you've never hunted an elf.Trust me on this one. The may seem small and... happy (not that there's anything wrong with that) but if you try stopping a charging elf with anything less than 12-gauge slugs, the last thing you'll see on this earth will be curly-toed shoes and pointy ears in 3D.





He"s right out here in colorado the elfs get huge we also have the largest elf population in the US with the most liberal elf hunting laws around. We prefer a nice yearling female elf for eating but a full grown rutting male elf looks good hanging on the wall.

 

[rocketfish]

I read in the owner's manual for the Remingtion model 7400 semi-auto (available online) that you must load the 1st round manually through the ejection port. If this is the case, then reloads/mag changes would be cumbersome and you would have to have a supply of loose rounds for chambering the first round in addition to the loaded magazines. I do not know if this is also the case for the pump action 7600. I would hope not since they are marketing the rifle for use by law enforcement.

I think the best truck gun would be a Mini-30 (7.62 russian) in stainless steel. Has non-threatening/ranch rifle/PC looks. The round is .30 caliber and superior to the pathetic .223 in power.

The Browning BLR is out of the question due to the piss poor mag capacity (4 or 5?) better than nothing I guess.

 

[ugaarguy]

I keep asking myself that: do I really need the extra oomph (of a .308 over a .30-30)?

When I look at these ballistics, I think, "Wow, that's a big difference in oomph."

Then I think of all the deer (and deer-related animals, e.g., elk) that have been taken with .30-30 over the years and think, "Naw, I don't need that extra oomph."

I think about how good that Marlin 336 feels, the low recoil, quieter blast, less expensive ammunition, less expensive gun.

I think about a cowboy assault rifle based on a 336.

Then I think some more about the difference in oomph.

So, where do I stand right now?

I dunno. Ask me tomorrow. Depends on which way the wind is blowing.

Nem, maybe I can help the wind blow in a little more constant direction. What do we all preach over in the autoloaders section all the time? What do the likes of Pax and sm always preach? That's right, gun fit. We know you're on a budget, but a gun you don't like, even if it's cheaper, is a waste of money, and is worse on a tighter budget. Better to save up if the right gun is out of reach at the moment.

Next, we've established that the common levergun calibers, and the common pump/semi-auto/bolt rifle calibers of 30-30 on up will all do the job, regardless of which you choose.

Further, we've established that both the levergun and the pump rifle have contrasting strengths and weaknesses, both actual and percieved. We've established that either will do more than what you require for this role of truck gun / utility rifle.

Where are we now? We've eliminated cost, caliber, and model/action type. We've gotten back to gun fit. Go to a gun store that will let you point both in a safe direction (of course), dry fire, and manipulate the actions. Which rifle fits you best, and which action is easiest for you to manipulate? In the course of handling them you'll find that one fits and balances better, and one is easier for you to use. There's your answer.

 

[JShirley]

I'm getting an extra stock, and will modify for proper LOP for me. Fit matters! Especially on fast-action, close range firearms.

I shot a deer at 96 meters with a rifle with too long a stock, in an awkward position, one-handed...but I had a rest, and plenty of time. Up close, it's different.

 

[atek3]

sporterized enfields make great truck guns. Good sights, big magazine, as fast as a pump, good hitting power.

atek3

 

[ChristopherG]

as fast as a pump

Not in my hands; and, truthfully, I doubt it in the hands of anyone with equal time/trainig on both.