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7mm-08 vs .25-06 Questions

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by BlayGlock, Jul 7, 2009.

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  1. BlayGlock

    BlayGlock Member

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    Ive always hunted with an old winchester .30-30, or a 7mm rem mag for long range work. Ive decided to buy a rifle that my wife my actually like to shoot as well, and one that she could take deer hunting with me. What are your opinions on these two rounds as far as recoil,trajectory, ect?

    I handload so ammunition is not an issue.
     
  2. Uncle Mike

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    The two are nearly identical in the energy department with the nod going to the 7mm-08.

    I mean, if you move a 120gr bullet at 3000fps, it does not matter to which cartridge it came... 120 grains at 3k is just that. The trajectories are also too close to debate over.

    The 7mm-08 will have a wider variety of loading ability offered to the reloader, shorter, lighter rifle, can be loaded 'up' with heavier bullets, shorter bolt throw... I favor the 7mm-08.

    :D
     
  3. SeekHer

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    Two of my daughter have the 7mm-08, two have .257 Roberts, one daughter a .257 Weatherby, my wife has a 6.5x55 Swede, another daughter a 7x57 Mauser and me with a .280 Ack Imp and a .284 Win and a .264 Win and a .260 Rem and...

    I much prefer a shorter action and the family of the .308 Win and especially the 7mm bullet size which has a much broader shoulder then the .25 and bullet selection is much better in commercial ammo and reloading components...

    They all kill deer dead but I'd rather shoot the 6.5mm (.264) and 7mm (.284) size bullets and can at least use the 7mm for elk in a pinch...I don't have any 6.8mm (.270) chamberings although a SPC is in the offerings...
     
  4. kludge

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    Ditto. 7mm-08 is as versatile if not more so than the 30-06, even at long ranges, flat shooting, and there is a plethora of good bullet choices for the handloader.

    Also look at .243 and .257 Roberts if all you need is a lower recoil deer rifle. Your .30-30 might be fine for your wife too.

    H4985 (off the top of my head, don't quote me on that, check for yourself) is good for reduced loads in several calibers, which are nice for youth or those who are recoil sensitive.
     
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    I would really consider the 6.5x55. Recoil is very light, accuracy is outstanding and it hits VERY hard. It is one of THE hunting calibers in Europe and is often used to take game up to moose. Plus some of the guns made for it are just sweet.
     
  6. peyton

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    I second the .243 if all you are going to hunt is deer. I have shot a 7mm-08, it shoots pretty well and both ammo's can be found. I think the .243 is more available.
     
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    Get a 7X57 mauser. Old school is still the best school.
     
  8. Water-Man

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    +1 on the 6.5x55 Swede. One of the best calibers ever. I have one in the TIKKA T3 Hunter. VERY accurate and dependable. Made by Sako.
     
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    I've read the Swede has about the same recoil as the 7mm-08. Do you guys find that to be true (in comparable rifles obviously).
     
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    I have a 7x57, albeit in a long action Mauser, and I think the 7mm-08 in the lighter/shorter short action is the bees knees.
     
  11. BlayGlock

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    Thanks for the good info, seems the vote goes to 7mm-08. I did see a run of limited Ruger rifles in the 6.5X55. Are the components readily available for handloading?
     
  12. Paradiddle

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    Yes - you can get 6.5 reloading gear from anywhere. Lupa or Norma brass is the most highly recommended as it's sized correctly from the factory and there are several good loads out there.

    Jeff
     
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    I am voting for the 7-08

    I am pretty new to this cartridge, but I really like it so far. I love short actions and this cartridge fits perfectly in them.

    I am not sure about the 6.5. I am sure is it a good round, but there is just more choices for the 7mm diameter. 7-08 seems easier to find as well.

    Matt
     
  14. loneviking

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    Why would the 7mm-08 be more versatile than the 30-06? I'm not knocking the caliber, but I can load Speer 100 gr. 'Plinkers' or 110 gr. 'Varmints' flying at about 3500 fps out of my Springfield. Light recoil and devastating results out at 500/600 yards. I can load up the 'o6 with 220 grs. that will put down a big bear.....so tell me again why I would want to go with a cartridge that can be hard to get components for and the ballistic results that I've seen aren't all that superior? I'm not looking for an argument, I really am curious as to this claim.
     
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    The .25-06 shoots exceptionally flat for a non-magnum load; the 7mm-08 hits as hard but is not as flat shooting. If you are looking for a good dear harvester that shoots flat like the 25-06, but can fit in a tidy short action like the 7mm 08, split the difference & get a .243. The .243 has a proportionally longer bullet profile for any given weight & bucks the wind really well, so it would probably be my choice. It's why the 6mm PPC rounds are so popular in longe range competition. Recoil in the .243 is next to nill as well, which may be important to a new female shooter. The only other factor you may want to consider is that the .25-06 is significantly overbore & really needs a 26" barrel to reach it's potential.
     
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    I hope she can shoot.
     
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    I assume because the 7mm-08 hits so hard a poorly placed shot will get the job done & the .243 won't? Poor logic IMO. They share the same case & have nearly the same capacity. Many argue the longer bullet profile for a given weight of the .243 aids penetration. In my experience neither will work with improper placement, and both work well with it. A miss is a miss; a hit is a hit. Both will cleanly take any deer sized game if the hunter does his part, neither will if he doesn't.
     
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    loneviking, I like the '06 but here is the reason the 7mm-08 is popular. It is a very efficient round.
    These are comparable bullets and they are very close in performance. The BC of the 7mm does give it an edge.
    The numbers are from muzzle to 500yds. Remington ballistic chart.

    30'06 Premier® AccuTip™--150gr AT BT
    VELOCITY --2910--2686--2473--2270-2070--1893

    7-08 Premier® AccuTip™ 140gr AT BT
    VELOCITY --2860--2670-- 2489--2314--2146--1986


    Premier® AccuTip™ 150gr AT BT
    ENERGY--2820--2403--2037--1716--1436--1193

    Premier® AccuTip™ 140gr AT BT
    ENERGY--2542--2216--1925--1664--1432--1225

    BlayGlock, do you think that your wife can handle the recoil of the 7mm-08?


    NCsmitty
     
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    Well, my daughter has used a Remington Model 7 in 7mm-08 since she was 10 years old with no problem.... She loves putting rounds down range with that little thing.:rolleyes:

    :D
     
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    "I assume because the 7mm-08 hits so hard a poorly placed shot will get the job done & the .243 won't?"

    The 7mm-08 and the .243 are NOT the same. Not even close. The 7mm-08 carries more energy to the target than does a .243. The fact that they're on the same case means nothing. A reasonably well placed shot with a 7mm-08 will drop that deer where he stands. Same shot or worse with a .243 you'll probably be looking for the thing after it runs off. It's about energy, and where energy is concerned the 7mm-08 wins.
     
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    If your wife does not favor recoil, then the 25. will blast them out there, long and fast, with a long skinny bullet, in the 110 to 120 grainer class; very manageable.
     
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    I am going to stay away from the .243 for her, it is a little less forgiving. I think that she would be able to handle the recoil on either the .25-06 or 7mm-08 with no problems. The recoil on my AK does not bother her. After some reading, Im really interested in the 6.5X55 Swede. I lloked around on buds and found a CZ and a Tikka. Anyone have experience with these rifles?
     
  23. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Either is good, but I'd run with 7mm-08 in that situation or better yet, .260 rem if it's available in the rifle you want.
     
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    I own both a 6.5 x 55 and a 7-08. That being said, my 6.5 was made in 1907, while my model 7 is about 80 years younger. Ballistically, along with the 260 and 7x57, they are a toss up - any will do the job on a typical white tail. I would favor them over the 25-06, just due to bullet selection. The 260/6.5 will easily use a 160 and the 7's a 175 grain for those times when you might be going for something bigger. My 6.5 prefers a Sierra 120 gr for accuracy, while the 7-08 prefers a 140 Nosler BT.

    To me, my 7-08 thumps me more than my 7 mag; however, I think that is a stock issue
     
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    BlayGlock, if you are considering a 6.5x55, I can second the choice.

    I have a '41 Husqvarna Swede Mauser 38 and because of it, I built a heavy barrel M98 in 6.5x55 that I love shooting.
    The efficient 6.5x55 case actually holds 2gr more powder than the 7mm-08, and when loaded to it's potential, in modern rifles, can garner some impressive ballistics.
    It's easy on the recoil, but hard hitting with deep penetration on game.
    Ask anyone who owns one.


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