Quantcast

7x57 or 270 or 243?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by el Godfather, May 27, 2020.

  1. el Godfather

    el Godfather Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2012
    Messages:
    1,793
    The history bit you eluded to is very important, in fact. I personally believe that from a collector’s point view a 7x57 is a must have.

    As much as I love elephants (for their majestic and adorable character) I will have to mention Walter D.M. Bell and his adventure in Africa with x57 - kind of explains why its such a caliber that can hunt anything; and so effortlessly. Check out the whole astonishing story if you are interested at: https://www.chuckhawks.com/bell_elephants.htm

    I am assuming 303 British? That is an other amazing round more so are the smooth actions of Enfield bolts. Amazing. I had one handed to me by my father but my cousin conned it from me stating that it was promised to him. I asked my father and he simple said there was no such promise except he used it occasionally but leave it if he is so bent upon having it. Coincidentally, he shot an old round that got stuck half way down the barrel. I offered to get it out and fix it but thinking that I might not give it back he safe queened it making some silly excuse not worth mentioning - this was back in 1992 or 93. I am sure of it that its rotting.

    Since then I always thought of buying a similar one but did not come across a clean piece. The shorter ones with rubber on stock. Mark 5 Jungle Carbine.

    Sorry for detour.

    yep- x57 can be one rifle go around. You might find this interesting: https://www.rifleshootermag.com/edi...an-elevate-the-7x57-mausers-performance/83658

    I wish I knew how to hand load and had all the apparatus available.

    Sorry but I have to tell another story. One of my uncles was dying of terminal cancer. I went to see him and he took me on a tour of his house (he was an avid hunter and authority on guns in my neck of woods). He showed me his reloading machines etc among many of fine quality rifle collection mostly by Weatherby. Anyways I had tea, chatted a little and left.

    Later when he died I asked my aunt about his collection. She told me some jerk off dealer made a really good offer and took everything but has not paid in full. I asked why did she not tell me. She said your uncle took you around to see all the stuff but you did not show any interest. Whereas out of politeness and etiquettes I had not asked a dying man to sell his stuff. I did appreciate everything in detail though. Lesson learned but oh well.
     
    troy fairweather likes this.
  2. LoonWulf
    • Contributing Member

    LoonWulf Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2010
    Messages:
    10,830
    Location:
    Hawaii
    Last edited: May 28, 2020
    troy fairweather and js8588 like this.
  3. Olympus

    Olympus Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2008
    Messages:
    3,995
    That’s my experience too.
     
  4. js8588

    js8588 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2013
    Messages:
    1,015
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    I'm reasonably confident the excellence of 270 Winchester is the only thing you @troy fairweather & I disagree on.
     
    troy fairweather and LoonWulf like this.
  5. LoonWulf
    • Contributing Member

    LoonWulf Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2010
    Messages:
    10,830
    Location:
    Hawaii
    Probably lol, Im more annoyed because i didnt know the Ruger african was available in .280AI.....I resisted buying one till now....but....but.....ugh...
     
    troy fairweather and WisBorn like this.
  6. hossfly

    hossfly Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2007
    Messages:
    118
    Location:
    Greenwood, SC
    These questions and answers are purely subjective but this is my take. If I were looking for a PRACTICAL big game rifle to use on everything from deer to moose, and I were choosing from those three cartridges, the 270 would be the easy choice. It's ubiquitous. You won't walk in just any store and find 7mm Mauser ammo and the 243 is probably a bit light for the big critters.

    From a collector's point of view the 7mm Mauser makes sense; however, for it to be put in the same class as a 270 requires you to get one in a modern rifle and handload. The old small ring Mausers can't shoot high pressure loads so factory ammo is kept low for that purpose. There's also the aforementioned issue with with the barrels on those old Mausers being taylored around the old heavy round nosed bullets.

    If I knew I wasn't going to hunt anything bigger than deer, the 243 would be just fine.

    All in all these are three very different options to choose from regarding the cartridge. All three will work just fine for deer and smaller.
     
    WisBorn likes this.
  7. skeeterfogger

    skeeterfogger Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2019
    Messages:
    1,065
    Between the 3 a 270.
     
    js8588 likes this.
  8. troy fairweather

    troy fairweather Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2018
    Messages:
    7,506
    Location:
    Up State New York
    I actually like the 270, but the 280 more. 270 fan boys are why most don't like the 270. Its the OG 6.5cm lol.
     
    Varminterror, LoonWulf and WisBorn like this.
  9. troy fairweather

    troy fairweather Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2018
    Messages:
    7,506
    Location:
    Up State New York
    I need one in my life lol. Seriously I need to sell some stuff. That's about the perfect rifle for me.
     
    LoonWulf and WisBorn like this.
  10. FL-NC

    FL-NC Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2016
    Messages:
    5,579
    Location:
    Fl panhandle
    My 2 hunting rifles are a 243 and a 6.5 CM. Light recoil, accurate, ammo is easy to find, low recoil, and effective on anything I'm going to shoot at.
     
  11. Legionnaire
    • Contributing Member

    Legionnaire Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    6,649
    Location:
    Texas
    Ruger offers the African in 280AI? Gotta check that out. Love my African in 375 Ruger.
     
    WisBorn and troy fairweather like this.
  12. Archie

    Archie Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2002
    Messages:
    2,502
    Location:
    Hastings, Nebraska - the Heartland!
    Of the three mentioned, the 7x57mm is the most versatile. The .243 is a good cartridge, but seems to lack the weight and power for critters of any size. The .270 has a loyal following, but seems to focus on high velocity, which is a poor choice for anything significantly larger than elk. The 7x57mm has been taking all sorts of game since about 1892.

    My thought would be a three gun battery, .243 Win, 7x57mm and .35 Whelen. Pick and choose for about anything in North America. That may violate your scenario, so...
     
    WisBorn likes this.
  13. WisBorn

    WisBorn Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2020
    Messages:
    473
    Location:
    South Carolina
    @troy fairweather I have always been a gun trader. If it's collecting dust and there is something else you want/need it's time to sell/trade to get that new rifle. That 280 AI is nice. I'm with you I like the 280 over a 270. And if the deer or elk is at 400+ yards I want my 7mm mag not a 270...
     
    troy fairweather and horsey300 like this.
  14. Jessesky

    Jessesky Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2016
    Messages:
    954
    I think old cartridges in new rifles are the coolest thing, I also think old cartridges in old rifles are the coolest thing!

    But, the 7x57 is not something I would characterize as having more power than the 270. The 270 packs quite a bit more punch
     
  15. Hokkmike

    Hokkmike Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2006
    Messages:
    3,040
    Location:
    Sullivan County PA
    Prefer the 6.5x55 but also the .243....
     
    js8588, horsey300 and WisBorn like this.
  16. jmr40

    jmr40 Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2007
    Messages:
    13,368
    Location:
    Georgia
    The 243 is the least versatile of the 3. While conceived as a dual purpose varmint/deer cartridge a lot has changed since 1955. Today it is really bigger than necessary for varmints, with more recoil than needed and it wears out barrels pretty fast when used in that role. The 22 caliber centerfires are a much better option for this anymore.

    It used to be the basis for some good long range target shooting, but only with non standard loads and custom rifles designed for them. The 6mm Creedmoor has taken over that role.

    In todays world it may be darn near perfect as a deer, or deer sized game cartridge. And while bigger game has been taken with a 243, it is really not a great choice.

    I've never cared much for 270, but it performs exactly like it was designed to do. It will take any game animal in North America and take most of them at ranges farther than most have the skills to shoot. I can't really say anything bad about 270, I just like the 7mm's better

    If looking for performance I'd choose 280, 7-08 or even 7mm Rem mag. But if nostalgia is important, and if you handload 7X57 can hang right with 270. 7X57 factory loads tend to be pretty anemic. The 270 will shoot same weight bullets 50-100 fps faster if you look at best handloads. But the more aerodynamic 7X57 will catch up at some point downrange. You also have the option of 175 gr bullets in 7X57 making it a better choice if the chance for truly big stuff ever comes up.
     
    1KPerDay, WisBorn and Legionnaire like this.
  17. Newtosavage

    Newtosavage Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2015
    Messages:
    2,684
    Yes, I've seen similar things. Some chambers are tighter than others too, and will result in earlier pressure signs.

    My reference to the light and heavy bullet preference was merely because of the options available to people when choosing between .277 and .284 projectiles. That's all.
     
  18. Skylerbone

    Skylerbone Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2010
    Messages:
    5,469
    Location:
    Hawkeye East
    Of the three I’d choose .243 every time. While newer cartridges have eclipsed it performance wise, they have yet to reach .243’s ubiquity. Because I’m longer in the tooth than I used to be, my choices allow my children an easy path to continue shooting if they so choose rather than hunting down ammo for obsolete chamberings.

    That’s not to say I don’t have faith in the others, only that I’m willing to make small concessions (and I like .243). I’d recommend you have someone competent look at your BRNO as they’re known for smooth actions.
     
  19. denton

    denton Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2011
    Messages:
    1,682
    True!

    Ackley did tests on the 270, and found that the large case capacity doesn't accomplish much. There is only 50 FPS difference between the .277 bullet on an 06 case and the same bullet on a 308 case.

    There is only .007" difference in diameter between 7mm and .277".

    The 270 and 7x57 (loaded to modern pressures) are very similar cartridges, though the 7x57 does seem to have an advantage with heavier bullets. I load mine with 162 grain bullets at 2750 FPS.
     
  20. Picher

    Picher Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2003
    Messages:
    2,110
    Location:
    Maine
    .270 Win using 130 grain spitzer has flatter trajectory than a .308 or 30-06 and maintains higher velocity. I use it out to 400 +/- yards on deer and it drops them very well, aiming for the shoulder/lung/heart area.
     
  21. Picher

    Picher Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2003
    Messages:
    2,110
    Location:
    Maine
    It doesn't do any good to tell deer that have been shot with the .270 Win, that the .280 is better...cuz they're dead!!!
     
    troy fairweather, LoonWulf and js8588 like this.
  22. el Godfather

    el Godfather Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2012
    Messages:
    1,793
    Yea I dont know why I have not done it already.
     
    LoonWulf likes this.
  23. dak0ta

    dak0ta Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2008
    Messages:
    2,344
    There was another caliber that is lost to history of time, the .280 Ross (7mm). It was designed for the Canadian Ross Rifle, but rejected in favour of the 303 British. First practical cartridge to best 3000FPS using a 140g bullet. Performs similar to 270 Win and 280 Rem. In its day, it was superior to 7x57. I think it was first cartridge to be classified as "magnum". It's a semi-rimmed design. As a game round, it propelled the bullets of its day too fast causing fragmentation and failure on heavy game. Fine for CXP2 game, but unreliable for CXP3. 270 Win came around in 1925 and the rest is history.

    400px-303vs280RossSB2007.jpg
    303B(L), 280 Ross (R)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.280_Rosshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.280_Ross
     
    Last edited: May 28, 2020
    js8588, el Godfather and LoonWulf like this.
  24. Hanshi

    Hanshi Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2010
    Messages:
    972
    Location:
    Maine
    I really like all three calibers and have taken many deer with them. But the .270 (I've owned two) isn't weak or wanting in terminal results. I like the .30/06 as well and have owned and used two in the field.
     
    el Godfather and LoonWulf like this.
  25. Skylerbone

    Skylerbone Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2010
    Messages:
    5,469
    Location:
    Hawkeye East

    Gonna fact check this one and say no, but in fairness to both chamberings it’s nearly a photo finish.

    Apples to apples winner.
    18E56957-2812-4C6A-8A1B-6F5B22F846BC.jpeg


    Apples to apples loser.
    B522D4DB-640C-40E3-AFA0-F0C62A2642BE.jpeg

    30-06 drops (winner).
    56A7E12A-E357-4625-9371-39FC8CFA47B4.png


    .270 Win drops (loser).
    EAF96805-5DED-4FEF-9150-017F50FC1ED7.jpeg


    And .308 (just for fun) comes in second.
    4F5C97BE-3CC3-4788-B993-E8C6E444F7CA.png
     
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice