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8 mm Mauser fever finally contracted

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by jaytex1969, Aug 25, 2013.

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  1. jaytex1969

    jaytex1969 Member

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    I've been thinking of adding a Mauser to the milsurp fold.

    I'm leaning most heavily towards the Yugo 24/47 but am open to other options.

    Mainly, I'd like a period correct shooter. (not a sporter)

    Other considerations:

    Yugo M48

    Turkish models

    Various 7mm models (not as much, looking for the 30.06 grade performance of the 8mm)

    Not quite an "official" mauser, but I have found myself peering at 1903's

    I don't think the other calibers are calling to me so much.

    Please feel free to comment with your opinions and experiences.

    I am unschooled on Mausers in general, so let loose.

    Thanks.
    Jay
     
  2. Dr.Rob

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    Russian capture 98k?

    Czech made late war 98k sold as 'surplus' (look for the 'winter trigger guard' models). Mine was made at BRNO and its a heck of a shooter.

    Like this: http://www.gunsamerica.com/934102420/CZECH_MAUSER_8mm_NICE_CONDITIO.htm

    Nothing wrong with a "commercial" FN or Mauser or Whitworth (Serbian with an English barrel) vs. a 'sporterized' wartime rifle. SOMETIMES you can find these for cheaper than WW2 98k.
     
  3. jaytex1969

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    I'll look into the Czech stuff.

    I'm surprised you found that good deal on GunsAmerica. every time I do a search there, I find lots of seemingly overpriced postings.

    Thanks!
     
  4. Dr.Rob

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    I didn't get mine on GunsAmerica, I was just illustrating the 'winter trigger' model (which is actually a post war 1946-50 rifle made from WW2 parts and sold in the US market) like I have.

    I've seen these show up here and there.. Sarco, AIM, etc. for a LOT less than Russian capture rifles.

    Mine: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=232387&highlight=mauser
     
  5. morcey2

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    If you can pick up an M48 or an M24/47 from a retailer that hasn't been shot since import, you'll have a good shooter. The M24/47s are still available for less than $300 and most are unfired since they were refurbished after WWII. Lots of the M48s are new in every sense of the word.

    VZ-24s and K98ks are a little more expensive and are more likely to be on the secondary market rather than a retailer. I've got 2 VZs and 1 Yugo captured K98k (K98/48). Both of the VZs shoot really well, but the K98k had the front half of a ruptured case stuck in it when I picked it up. Got it really cheap because of that, but it still may be a good shooter if I can get it out. Also, keep an eye out for Czech 98/22s. They have 28" barrels (I think), but are very well made and I've missed out on a couple at pawn shops because I didn't pull the trigger in time, so to speak.

    As Dr.Rob said, there are some good deals on Czech produced K98ks out there. Yugo capture K98ks are usually in a little better shape than the RC K98ks, but even the RCs can be great shooters. I've also picked up a couple of bubbafied Mausers and a bubbafied 1903 for really cheap. I restored the 1903, but the mausers were too far gone to restore so they're either being shot as-is or turning into custom rifles for my kids. One is a butchered Oberndorf GEW98 that had the barrel chopped and a really bad home-brew front sight installed to go along with the ski-ramp rear lange vizier sight. The action is still in really good shape, but the barrel leaves much to be desired. I picked that one up for $70 a couple of months ago.

    I don't have much personal experience with the turks but they vary from tack drivers to poorly-designed boat-oars. I still need to pick one up.

    Anyway, welcome to the madness. :)

    Matt
     
  6. Sam1911

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    I have always been quite impressed with mine. Glassy smooth action. Good solid, quality rifle.

    A pal of mine was buying a Mitchell's refurbished one some years ago. That really tickled his fancy. At the time they had some kind of a deal where they were sellling old beaters as well and I got one of those for all of about $139. When I got it the stock was almost black and oil soaked. Figuring that I had very little to lose with a gentle, minimum-impact refinish job, I steamed the stock and scrubbed and scrubbed, and even eventually sanded just a little, before applying many coats of a penetrating oil.

    When I was done I found that the stock had been worked on, and that long ago. After a lot of thinking about it, I've come to believe that these fixes were completed by the original builders and that is just amazing to me.

    In two places there are exquisitely crafted dovetailed (and tapered!) patches (what woodworkers refer to as "Dutchman" repairs). I do (or have done, I should say) this kind of work professionally, and I am VERY impressed with this level of craftsmanship. It appears from the figure of the wood that the rouged-out stock had some defects -- probably pinhole knots -- but the builders decided to use it anyway. They (or whomever) hand cut these repairs, one into the butt and one in the thinnest part of the forearm beside the barrel, and fit just plain airtight dutchmen, and then pinned them with wooden pins! You really, REALLY have to look to see these things. In fact, the one on the forearm is no bigger than 3/4"x 1/2" x 1/8" at its wide point.

    I can't fathom what set of circumstances would have made wood stock blanks -- for a common, run of the mill military rifle -- so valuable in Yugoslavia as to necessitate several hours of careful hand work by a very skilled artisan to save one from the burn pile. Obviously labor was MUCH cheaper than material at that point!

    Only slightly less unbelievable is that this rifle would have survived whatever circumstances brought it to its former dilapidated state, been sold for surplus, imported here, and just about accidentally be passed on to someone who would make the effort to spruce it up, and who would recognize and appreciate the tiny details that show the efforts of the craftsman who put his hands to it.

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    The repair at the forestock -- You can see where the grain figure swirled there, probably around a knot:

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    The buttstock repair with wood pin to lock it in:

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    And, I feel I have to add, it is a sweet, smooth, terrific shooter. Heck, now I want to go shoot it again, it's been too long!
     
  7. 50 Shooter

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    I got a Mauser and a 1903 Springfield earlier this year, I actually enjoy shooting them over semi auto rifles. Both are great shooters even with surplus ammo that's older then dirt. Don't throw it in the safe, buy a spam can of ammo and hit the range.
     
  8. DPris

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    As I've mentioned before, my Mitchell's Mausers 24/47 has outshot my Weatherby.
    Quite happy with it.
    Denis
     
  9. PJSprog

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    I've had a Chilean '95 in 7x57 for about 20 years. Not an 8mm, but still a great shooter. I also picked up a near-mint condition '03 Springfield (an NRA rifle from 1911) about 2 years ago. Love it, too. Those Mauser designs seem to be solid as a rock, even 100+ years later. Anything you can find that's in even halfway decent shape will probably be a good rifle.
    Jump in, Jay. The water's great.
     
  10. yzguy87

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    Very nice Sam!
     
  11. Sergei Mosin

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    Sam, that's a beauty you've got there.

    Some years ago, my lovely bride (back when she was still my lovely girlfriend) surprised me with a 24/47, which became the start of a modest Mauser collection. I think that if you want an 8mm rifle, the Yugoslavian rifles (be they M24/47, M48, or K98 variants) are the most readily available and affordable models out there. Czech, German, and Spanish 8mm rifles can be just as nice but they seem a bit more expensive and harder to find. Turks, well, they're a mixed bag - generally inexpensive but they can be a bit rough. FN produced 8mm Mausers for a wide variety of foreign contracts and there's no telling what you might get with one of those.
     
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  12. Jcinnb

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    I have an RC K98 a bolt mismatch K98, a Yugo M48 and a Czech VZ24.

    The VZ24 is far and away the best shooter....but....its sights start at 300 hundred yds/meters.

    This weekend, to get on paper, I had to aim at teh very bottom of the 24x18 inch target to get a nice group just on the paper, about 2 inches from top.

    I suppose I could adjust the front sight (lower??).

    Having stated that I watched a young marine shoot it 10 times several years ago, and get 10 hits on a metal pig at 200yd, open sights.

    Good Luck. My final advice is to decide what you want and don't settle. If you want to scope it, get a very non-historical gun. Don't mess up an antique!
     
  13. Numeric

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    I caught the fever in July of last year when, for $190, I bought a 1923 Czechoslovakian Vz.98/22 that was sold to Turkey when the Vz.24 replaced it as the service rifle of the Czech Army. Since then I have managed to scrounge up 2,680rds of surplus Yugoslavian and Turkish 7.9x57mm. This rifle has seen plenty of use; most of the exposed bluing has faded to grey/brown patina, the handguard was split longitudinally and joined together with dove-tail blocks, and it has some scattered pitting on the receiver ring, the barrel and the bore.

    Despite this and the 400m minimum zero, I have shot a 2MOA group at 100yds with 1956 Yugo M49 ammo, and a 1.5MOA group at 200yds with 1949 Turkish ammo. It's an absolute joy to shoot.

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  14. cheesebigot

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    The Yugo M24/47 will rock your world and blow your mind if it's not a metal-infused tree branch. With the pig-sticker attached, mine serves double duty as truck gun and target rifle.

    Especially with M75 ammo, I can punch holes in paper chickens at 300 yards all day long.
     
  15. altaberg

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    Israeli Mausers

    I'm a fan of the Israelis.

    I have three flavors: Czech made (Lion Crest and Israeli markings), German made ( I have a byf 44 that somehow made it to the holy land) and FN made (in the 50ies with Israeli crest).

    The Oberndorf is the most historic, German and Israeli proof marks all on the same receiver. If she could talk she probably would have some story.

    That other thing is that these are all re-barreled to 7.62 NATO by the Israelis and shoot both surplus 7.62N and 308 well.

    The other Mausers I recommend looking at are 1908 model Brazil. Some of the best made out there IMO.

    In Canada at least, we have currently a lot of Chilean from the Steyr 1912 cheap on the market. Most also re-barreled to 7.62N, some still 7mmMauser.
    These 1912 Steyr are also good quality and decent shooters.
    Some of the re-barreled ones have barrels that are like new.
     
  16. TRX

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    When you're shooting, there's a major difference between random half-century-old military surplus ammunition and new American commercial ammunition.

    Hopefully, the supply of 8x57 from Pakistan Ordnance Factory had dried up...
     
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    Sam1911, that's a beauty. And very nice 98/22, Numeric.
    Here's my run-of-the-mill M24/47. Nothing special about it except that the metal is in amazing condition -- the bluing, bore, and crown, very good trigger and bolt cycling. Nothing else feels quite like an old quality-built Mauser, IMO.

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  18. Sam1911

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    Thanks! They are amazingly slick, solid actions, aren't they? :)
     
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    Yes. Cycling a nice bolt action to chamber another round is almost fun as shooting the gun. :)
    The 24/47 got me interested in Mauser style actions and I ended up with a couple of CZ 550s which are also very nice actions if you like the feel of a Mauser.
     
  20. Trung Si

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    70 Year old bnz K98, shoots like the Day it was made.;)
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  21. stan rose

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    I really like Mausers. One of the best shooters I own is a Yugo M48. They can still be found in unissued condition, great guns.
     
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    I have a heavy barreled 243 I made from one of the loose actions that CIA was selling in the early 90's, a couple of Turks and a smattering of others. The Turks were bought in the pre-NICS 90's when you could only buy long guns at gun shows. I think I only paid $49 for one of them. I shoot cast bullets out of both and they both shoot better than I do with open sights. One has a Williams peep and the other is completely stock. I keep telling myself I'm going to scope one of them but other things keep getting in the way.

    I like them so much that I went to considerable trouble to acquire one of the left handed Zastava guns.
     
  23. jaytex1969

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    Trung Si, that is one gorgeous rifle.
     
  24. Hardtarget

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    I have a Mauser. It isn't near pretty enough to show to anyone. I paid ...$1.00 for it, It sits in a Reinhart-Fajen stock. (probably misspelled that). Very nice wood, just not right for this gun. I have a mil-surp stock that will be its home soon...hopefully. Still will not be as pretty as the guns shown hear.

    Mark
     
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  25. Ignition Override

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    For those unfamiliar with Samco (Global Arms), they have sold 24/47s for a few years, many reported to be in really good-excellent condition; also some Swedish 6.5 mm Mausers.
    Samco's small price increases on these since '08 have surprised me.

    Recently they relisted some surplus 7mm Mauser ammo, still at approx. .20/round, in case you have access to a classic 7x57 Mauser action.
    Their only surplus 8x57 ammo seems to be the Persian type.

    Gentlemen (or any ladies): How easy is it for a very exp. gun smith to smooth a Yugo Mauser's sear just a bit?:scrutiny:
    Some of them seem reluctant to work on triggers. This is in the Memphis area.
     
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