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81 yr old Man kills robber, 3 Women Charged

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  1. Fish Miner

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    By JON MILTIMORE / News Herald Writer
    BRISTOL — Octavious Barnes died Sunday still clutching the $1,100 he took from an 82-year-old bar owner before he was shot.

    Now, three Blountstown women accused of helping Barnes, 24, face murder charges in connection to his death.

    “As we were processing the crime scene, it became clearer and clearer he (Barnes) didn’t do everything himself,” Liberty County Sheriff’s Office Lt. Brigham Shuler said Wednesday.

    Jessica Nicole Long, 19; Heather Marie Ammons, 22; and Mandy Allen, 43, planned and aided Barnes in the robbery of 82-year-old Bradley Harvil, owner and operator of the Slip N’ Slide bar, Shuler said.

    On Sunday, authorities said Barnes broke into Harvil’s house, which is connected to the bar, and demanded money. Shuler said Barnes was waving a black pistol and assaulted Harvil with a shocking device used to debilitate people with heart conditions.

    Harvil gave Barnes about $1,100, but then a second struggle ensued, authorities said. Harvil was knocked over and a TV set fell on top of him, but Harvil was able to reach his own gun, a .357 magnum. He fired twice, hitting Barnes once in the chest and a second time in the eye.

    The second shot killed Barnes, Shuler said. Only later was it learned Barnes had robbed Harvil using a toy pistol made to look like a real weapon.

    “He had blackened the gun with a magic marker,” Shuler said.

    Shuler said not long after investigators realized Barnes had not acted alone, an anonymous tip led them to Long, Ammons and Allen, who authorities said was seen in a vehicle that picked Barnes before the robbery.

    Long, Ammons, and Allen confessed to planning and helping Barnes commit the robbery to investigators, Shuler said. He said the women had identified the Slip N’ Slide, which is known to host large crowds on the weekends, as a ripe robbery target, and the women had been planning the robbery since at least early June.

    “They told us about six weeks ago they did a dry run on his house,” Shuler said.

    Shuler said the women face life in prison for the second-degree felony murder charge and up to 30 years in prison for the charge of felony home invasion robbery with a weapon.

    The suspects already have had their first court appearance before Circuit Judge Kenneth Hosford and are being held at the Liberty County Jail without bond, Shuler said.

    The investigation might not have come together without the assistance of the anonymous citizen, Shuler said.

    “It was some good luck for us to get a tip like, and someone chose to do the right thing,” Shuler said
     
  2. 1858rem

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    i see a lot of old guys around here still carry 357 mags, snubs......id opt for a more managable pistol at that age but the guy got it done anyhow.
    i wonder if the kid didnt get killed, would he be charger with armed robbery or just aggravated assault and robbery since the gun was likely a airsoft or bb gun?
     
  3. Maelstrom

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    You don't even need a gun to be charged with having a gun.

    If you put your hand in your pocket to look like a gun you can be charged with armed robbery.
     
  4. Fish Miner

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    I belive that the replica or toy gun when used in a felony crime will be treated as a deadly weapon- as if it was real in other words.

    I like how it says he was shot in the chest but the shot to the eye is what killed him. I don't think he had much of a chance after shot one...
     
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    Ditto.

    Maybe they should've said "the shot to the chest would have proven fatal had the shot to the eye not finished the job then and there."
     
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    Here in Florida the BG would also be charged with an attack on a person over 65 which in itself can get you jail time.
     
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    What was that? A weapon specifically designed for use on people with heart conditions?
     
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    wow never heard that one before.

    yup they didnt make much mention of the ammo used if it was only .38 spl target (fmj) in the 357 then that could be a major part for the followup shot. i wander if the guy had training to be able to make two well placed shots right after the perp knocked him down with a tv set
     
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    maybe the press doesnt know what a taser looks like...
     
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    Maybe when they typed "debilitate", they were meaning "defibrillate"...

    DD
     
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    I have in my possesion one of those fake pot metal peacekeeper model 45s and its actually a prohibited device up here since it looks like a real gun but is not. Since it can't actually be registered its deemed illegal to own. They had to stop selling them in the stores and you might see one at a garage sale once in a while. Kids and adults have been caught with those old Croosman pellet guns that look like a 1911 and found out the hard way that it's as bad as pointing a real one at a person let alone a cop.
     
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    Love my .357 magnums (S&W Model 19s [14(2), 15, 16]) and snub .357 magnums. Glad to see they are still reliable workhorses. And good shoot to the old guy. How does the sang go, "Don't mess with an old man, he's too old to fight you, he'll just go ahead and shoot you dead." I know more than a few wisened gentlemen like that. They always carry, and they are always ready to shoot. One guy told me his knees were too bad to run, he'd just have to empty his 10mm into the attacker and then hobble to his car, take a breather to recover, and then look for his reading glasses before being able to call 911, that'd take him all about fifteen minutes he told me.

    And yes the guy can still shoot rather well. He still shoots a six inch grouping at fifteen yards without glasses.
     
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    What`s that old saying, "don`t bring a toy to a gun fight." :)
     
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    Chalk one up for the geezer. We really need a "HA-ha!" smiley. What state was this in?

    Jessica, Heather, & Mandy - doesn't really sound like an evil criminal syndicate, does it? Sounds more like my little niece's slumber party friends, lol. :) Boy were they stupid in confessing - glad they did, though - they will get what's comin to them.
     
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    Reminds me of the movie "Vacation", when Chevy Chase was holding a BB pistol on John Candy, who eventually said something like like "That's not a real gun, is it Clark?"

    The response: "Yes it is, it's a Magnum PI Special."

    Classic!


    -Matt
     
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    --news from the gene pool--Jessica and Heather are daughters of Mandy by different men. more swirling of the pool reveals 4 degrees of seperation between Mandy and Barnes.:eek::rolleyes:
     
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    That's even worse than the morons who bring knives to gun fights!!!! :what::what::what:
     
  19. RP88

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    five bucks says they confessed thinking that they won't get charged for some of the more serious crimes (i.e. murder). They'll probably get off relatively easy, but they'll still spend a couple years.
     
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    Jim Carey did a impression of Jimmy Stewart on SNL,...After taking a bat away an hitting
    the "grease ball" he said..."Never under estimate the ederly."
     
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    State law may differ on this. In this state, he would still be charged with robbery in the first degree which includes robbery with a deadly weapon or robbery by physical force. The toy gun would be considered a deadly weapon for purposes of charging the perp.
     
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    Moral of the story...

    ... beware of old farts with revolvers. ;)
     
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    Can we assume the author never heard of a "defibrillator"?
     
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    Yeah, but even a portable defibrillator is a solid chunk of metal, and most of them these days use adhesive pads rather than the paddles you see on "E.R.". It's kind of hard for me to imagine assaulting anyone with a defibrillator, though stranger things have happened.

    Chalk another one up to modern "reporting", anyway.
     
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    Good for the Bar owner and I hope the DA hangs the 3 "ladies" High!:evil:
     
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