87 Grain RNSP In 30-30

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  1. DMW1116

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    The local shop has a good many 87 grain Hornady round nose soft point bullets for sale. The box says Mauser but they are sized 0.308. Has anyone tried them in a 30-30? The lightest bullet I have data for is a 110 grain round nose, so I’m kinda flying blind. I’m not looking for super high velocity. They are just available and relatively cheap at about half the price of 150 grain round nose. I wouldn’t hunt with them. My 30-30 is my tinkering gun. Manual action makes it easier to try different loads without cycling worries.
     
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  2. Seedy Character

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    My .30-30 likes .310 powder coated bullets.
    A .308 will most likely not be accurate and will lead your barrel.

    I have loaded 110 gr to 2300 fps with good accuracy. 87 gr would be fun, if they shot well.
    Powder coating would get them .309-.310.
     
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  3. DMW1116

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    Oh, I forgot to mention they’re jacketed bullets.
     
  4. Bazoo

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    No reason you couldn’t use them for plinking or gallery type loads. I say go for it.
     
  5. DMW1116

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    Hornady doesn’t even list them on my reloading app. I’ll have to check their website. These have just been sitting there for months. I don’t think anyone has bought any. I’ll investigate further. There are about 1000.
     
  6. GeoDudeFlorida

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    They’re probably for 7.63mm Mauser pistols. The old Broomhandles. Should be fine for a .30-30 using 110gr jacketed data. There’s not that huge a weight difference. Just start low and work up until you get good accuracy.
     
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    Those are for a 30 Maurer pistol, you could sure use them for plinking rounds but you'll have trouble finding data. I know there's data for 100-110gr 30 carbine. I've had some ok results using Unique for gallery loads.
     
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  9. DMW1116

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    That great. I’m tinkering with downloaded 30-30 with H335 from the other thread here.
     
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  11. AJC1

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    If your dealing with very light rounds in 30-30, first stop would be unique then 2400 or 4227.
     
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  12. P Flados

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    I have loaded a ton of low power light bullet plinker / target loads in bottle neck rounds for my TC Contender.

    One of my favorite was a tumble lube 55 gr NLG in 30 Herrett.

    I played with a bunch of powders and found that I liked the fast burning stuff best. Think powders like AA #2, Red Dot, Clays, TightGroup, etc. I tried Unique and did not like it at all.

    CAUTION: The info below discusses loading data not covered by currently published sources of tested data for this cartridge (QuickLOAD data is not professionally tested). USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.

    Here are some Quickload tables using fast powders

    Code:
    Cartridge          : .30-30 Win. (SAAMI)
    Bullet             : .308, 86, Hornady RN 3100
    Useable Case Capaci: 39.499 grain H2O = 2.565 cm³
    Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.300 inch = 58.42 mm
    Barrel Length      : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
    Powder             : Alliant RED DOT
    
    Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
     %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms
    -41.7   19     3.50   1106     234    5966    995    100.0    2.394
    -33.3   22     4.00   1208     279    7531   1108    100.0    2.025
    -25.0   25     4.50   1296     321    9070   1225    100.0    1.824
    -16.7   28     5.00   1376     362   10657   1343    100.0    1.681
    -08.3   30     5.50   1451     402   12303   1461    100.0    1.572
    +00.0   33     6.00   1522     442   14011   1578    100.0    1.483
    +08.3   36     6.50   1589     482   15780   1694    100.0    1.409
    +16.7   39     7.00   1653     522   17611   1810    100.0    1.345
    +25.0   41     7.50   1714     561   19502   1924    100.0    1.289
    +33.3   44     8.00   1773     600   21452   2037    100.0    1.239
    +41.7   47     8.50   1829     639   23460   2150    100.0    1.190
    
    Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
    Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
    +Ba     33     6.00   1533     449   15098   1565    100.0    1.448
    Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
    -Ba     33     6.00   1506     433   12775   1596    100.0    1.527
    Code:
    Cartridge          : .30-30 Win. (SAAMI)
    Bullet             : .308, 86, Hornady RN 3100
    Useable Case Capaci: 39.499 grain H2O = 2.565 cm³
    Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.300 inch = 58.42 mm
    Barrel Length      : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
    Powder             : Accurate No.2
    
    Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
     %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms
    -31.3   23     5.50   1285     316    6894   1568     99.6    2.181
    -25.0   25     6.00   1371     359    8015   1684    100.0    1.957
    -18.8   27     6.50   1451     402    9209   1791    100.0    1.797
    -12.5   29     7.00   1525     444   10480   1898    100.0    1.672
    -06.3   31     7.50   1596     486   11830   2004    100.0    1.570
    +00.0   33     8.00   1663     528   13259   2110    100.0    1.483
    +06.3   35     8.50   1727     569   14768   2215    100.0    1.409
    +12.5   37     9.00   1788     611   16360   2319    100.0    1.344
    +18.8   39     9.50   1847     652   18035   2423    100.0    1.286
    +25.0   41    10.00   1904     693   19795   2525    100.0    1.234
    +31.3   43    10.50   1960     734   21642   2626    100.0    1.187
    
    Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
    Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
    +Ba     33     8.00   1693     547   14732   2073    100.0    1.428
    Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
    -Ba     33     8.00   1619     501   11719   2163    100.0    1.554
    Code:
    Cartridge          : .30-30 Win. (SAAMI)
    Bullet             : .308, 86, Hornady RN 3100
    Useable Case Capaci: 39.499 grain H2O = 2.565 cm³
    Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.300 inch = 58.42 mm
    Barrel Length      : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
    Powder             : Hodgdon TiteGroup
    
    Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
     %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms
    -56.3   12     3.50   1046     209    5239    905    100.0    2.434
    -50.0   13     4.00   1141     249    6472   1010    100.0    2.117
    -43.8   15     4.50   1225     287    7750   1116    100.0    1.918
    -37.5   17     5.00   1303     324    9089   1222    100.0    1.771
    -31.3   19     5.50   1375     361   10494   1328    100.0    1.658
    -25.0   20     6.00   1443     397   11963   1433    100.0    1.564
    -18.8   22     6.50   1507     434   13496   1538    100.0    1.485
    -12.5   24     7.00   1568     470   15091   1642    100.0    1.417
    -06.3   25     7.50   1627     506   16746   1745    100.0    1.357
    +00.0   27     8.00   1684     541   18462   1846    100.0    1.304
    +06.3   29     8.50   1738     577   20237   1947    100.0    1.257
    +12.5   30     9.00   1791     613   22070   2047    100.0    1.215
    +18.8   32     9.50   1842     648   23961   2146    100.0    1.170
    +25.0   34    10.00   1892     683   25911   2244    100.0    1.130
    +31.3   35    10.50   1940     719   27918   2341    100.0    1.092
    
    Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
    Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
    +Ba     27     8.00   1694     548   19797   1834    100.0    1.277
    Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
    -Ba     27     8.00   1670     533   16933   1864    100.0    1.339
    
     
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  13. Seedy Character

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    This should be any awesome .30 Carbine bullet.

    AA#5 would be my 1st choice if powders.
     
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    The 30-30 neck can hold 2 bullets at a time. First one goes in nose first, 2nd normal. Butt to butt. When i was young & fearless, i loaded Hornady 110 gr jacketed spire points . Both hit the target.
    Do NOT try this.
     
  15. Starter52

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    Re: that Red dot data chart.

    I have loaded Red Dot for years in both rifles and handguns.

    Those velocities don't seem right.
     
  16. AJC1

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    Curious if your looking at the new 30 super carry projectiles. .309 90 grainers is what I've seen.
     
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  17. P Flados

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    The predictions above are for loads that are very much outside of the "normal" parameters where Quickload seems to do pretty good. With small charges of fast powders in rifle barrels, I think the software tends to overpredict velocity as there seem to be losses that matter but are not modelled. Another factor is ignition. With all of the free space in the case, actual ignition can easily be less effective than the model predicts. Still, for someone working up plinkers, the Quickload output provides some guidance on what to expect.

    I looked up some old chrono data and found results for some 30 Herrett loads with Promo (bulk version of Red Dot).

    With 4.6 gr Promo under a 110 gr plinker in a 10" gun, Quickload said 1123 fps, chrono said 1118 fps
    With 5.0 gr Promo under a 110 gr plinker in a 10" gun, Quickload said 1168 fps, chrono said 1160 fps
    With 5.4 gr Promo under a 110 gr plinker in a 10" gun, Quickload said 1215 fps, chrono said 1195 fps

    With 6.4 gr Promo under a 150 gr Lee in a 10" gun, Quickload said 1172 fps, chrono said 1142 fps

    With 6.4 gr Promo under a 150 gr Lee in a 14" gun, Quickload said 1251 fps, chrono said 1190 fps

    Note the above a chrono numbers are "as indicated", screens were probably at least 12 feet from muzzle.
     
  18. DMW1116

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    Maybe but I don’t think so. These have been sitting on their shelf since before it was announced, well back into 2021. I emailed hornady but haven’t gotten a response yet.
     
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  19. Seedy Character

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    I am figuring .30 Carbine in 7.5" Blackhawk should be equivalent of .327 Fed.

    Make a fun 50 yard coyote and varmit cartridge.
     
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