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870 with ghost ring sights for skeet!?

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by tacxted, Oct 10, 2012.

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  1. tacxted

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    Yesterday I learned from a co-worker about a skeet range close by. I looked them up and decided to head over today. Mind you, this is the first time I have ever been to a skeet range/range.

    I had a blast! I was concerned i would be alienated because I have a "tactical" gun and everyone else had O/U skeet guns. I almost packed up and left.

    A nice gentleman named Greg told me to grab my shotgun and follow him, he could tell I was new. I told him i was concerned I would be made fun of because I had a 18" barreled shotgun, and that I didnt think that I could break clays at the ranges I was seeing. He said it didnt matter if I had a 18" barrel, but he did let me know that my shotgun is not ment for skeet but it will work just fine. He brought me over to the skeet range and explained to me what skeet is and its rules. Greg had me take a few shots and then coached me on stance, aiming, lead, swing and a lot more.

    He was having just as much fun watching me break and miss targets with that shotgun as I was shooting it! By the end of the day I had done a double at station six, I think it was station 6 anyway, and i had hit singles from every other station except #1. Station #1 gave me the most trouble, Greg enjoyed that laughing "station 1 is the easiest to hit".

    I had a great time and I learned about my shotgun. Ghost rings are great for slug work but they require extra disicpline when wing shooting with them, but it is do-able.

    I thanked Greg for helping me and tried to pay for his rounds but he declined. That Greg, what a nice guy.

    http://www.hermonskeetclub.com/

    my gun
    http://www.remington.com/en/products/firearms/tactical/shotguns/model-870-express-tactical.aspx
     
  2. oneounceload

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    Congrats on discovering what some of old timers use our shotguns for - fun!..If you want to continue, though, you will probably want to at least get a 28" barrel - that will help with swing dynamics and is cheaper than a new gun - at least for the time being

    In deference to your friend, station 7 is the easiest - on station one high house, picture a goose with dangling legs, going away and shoot the legs off

    Use your eyes, not your sights for acquiring the target and moving the gun - your hands and eyes will work together nicely
     
  3. tacxted

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    Thanks Oneounceload. I had a ton of fun.

    Cost is a factor and a replacement barrel is the cheapest way to go, but the 18" barrel was reaching out there busting thoes clays no problem. Altho I do understand how a longer barrel will help me with the swing and sustaining a lead. I could only afford one long gun, i decided this shotgun fit my bill best. Im a hunter and I hunt in the thick Maine woods where a shorter gun is better. I also like the "tacticool" gun apect.

    So if station 1 is the high house away... then I was on station 1 but it was low house moving towards me. That is the shot that gave me so much trouble. I wasnt able to break that one.

    I wonder if a red dot like the burris fastfire series would help with busting clays?
     
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    use your eyes, not a red dot - then you won't have your head properly on the stock. For the incomer, I use a pull away method - as the muzzle covers the bird coming towards me, I pull just ahead as I pull the trigger - this (for me) builds in the little bit of lead necessary

    What might be happening also for you is a bad habit a lot of us do - stopping the gun - that is where the longer barrel can help. I did it today on some long range FITASC targets - moved my gun towards the target and stopped my swing as I pulled the trigger - result is a miss from behind
     
  5. tacxted

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    I need to work on smoothing out my mount. I noticed sometimes i would not fully mount the gun and my shots would be over target. Greg noticed this too.

    Greg was saying that also,(stopping the gun), he did a great job explaining the different lead types and timing for that shot, something about that shot I couldnt get right.
     
  6. SDC

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    I've shot skeet with a set of ghost rings (and my favourite skeet gun is a rifle-sighted 870), so there's nothing wrong with either of them. They may not be the equipment the "pros" use, but a dead target is a dead target. The hardest part about skeet in the begining is remembering to sweep through the target and "feeling" the proper lead from each station, but once you connect on a shot, it becomes addictive :)
     
  7. tacxted

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    Im glad Im not the only person using non-traditional sights. Now is there anyone else using shorter barrels?

    Isn't that the truth SDC! Before my first taget I was nervous as heck. Greg threw the clay and I broke it first shot. I was hooked.
     
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    If you spend your time looking at your sights and not at the target, you will miss way more than you hit. With dynamic targets, it is hand eye coordination.

    A golfer doesn't look at his golf club as he swings, neither does a baseball player his bat or a tennis player his racquet - all are focused on their respective targets - their eyes tell their brains when and how to move their hands to make it work. Shotgunning at clays or birds is about pointing, not aiming; let your eyes and brain take control
     
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    I once watched a Texas Game Warden break 25 of 25 in a round of skeet shooting a bead sighted 18 inch Remington 870P, with an extended magazine and a sidesaddle :).

    It can be done.

    Just my .02,
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    It sounds like you found a nice place to shoot.

    Every so often I take my rifle sighted 870 out and shoot skeet. It's a lot of fun, but the sights do make it more difficult to focus hard on the bird. Best I have managed was a 21 with my riot gun. With the field barrel on it, I've run a number of straights.
     
  12. Virginian

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    You do not need a red dot sight, but an optical sight is an advantage - yes, even for wingshooting. With the target and the dot in the same focal plane it is a whole different ball game. You can see the target and the dot with no effort. They are not banned in sanctioned competitions for nothing. I say this as a former league high average skeet shooter, so I know how to shoot okay without a red dot too.
     
  13. tacxted

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    I will eventually buy a red dot for the shotgun but Im not buying for skeet only. I want a do-all 870, and eventually Ill finish my project.

    Thanks for the comments everyone!
     
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    When we got to the #8 position we would take 1 step towards the high house until someone finally missed. Best I could do was 4 steps closer. Skeet is fun, so enjoy yourself.

    I just bought a "like new" Ted Williams Model 21 (High Standard) to take skeet shooting. A High Standard was my first gun many years ago and I have fallen for them all over again.
     
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    If ghost ring sites worked well for skeet, the guys who run 100 straights and 4x4's would use them... none do.
     
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    I've seen a guy shoot a straight round with a bolt action 410. As with most sports, the gear you choose can help or hurt, but it is the man using it that makes all the difference. Saw this same guy shoot dove with that bolt 410. Unbelievalble. Got a limit of 15 with a 20 or shells. And it was a full choke!

    Some folks use their tactical guns on the skeet and clays just to get really familiar and comfortable with them.

    Enjoy your tactical skeet gun. It works just fine. But eventually you'll want to upgrade.
     
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    Oneounceload is correct. I find that the one place this becomes important is trap shooting. Skeet/clays requires the same approach. The trap shooter does not solely direct his sight to the sight (no pun intended). The concentration is on the bird but a subconscious awareness of the barrel/sight exists that allows the tracking, overcoming, and establishing the lead on the bird. Therein lies the start of two problems. One is establishing the correct lead on the bird. the second is to follow through at and after the shot.

    I do not/have not used optics on a shotgun. Unfortunately, my Type A personality sets on my shoulder and continously prods me to try one.
     
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    I am looking at getting an870, and would like to do some trap shooting. I am looking at a 26 inch barrel. Would this be sufficient, if it also doubled as a hunting gun?
     
  19. tacxted

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    Ive been practicing Focusing on target and pointing, mounting, trigger press and follow through on the lines where ceilings and walls meet. Ive been trying very hard to "see past" the front post. Very often after I follow through on a stationary target the sights will be lined up exactly where I was focused on the target.

    I hard part for me is trusting that I will shoot where I am looking. Im just so used to aiming with the sights on rifles or handguns.
     
  20. SDC

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    A 26" barrel will work for skeet, but not really for trap; since the targets are heading AWAY from you (and fast) in trap, you have to be on them quickly and make sure your pattern is still tight out past 35-40 yards. That's a lot to ask from a short barrel, so you might want to get a 30" full choke for trap, and save the shorter one for skeet and upland game birds.
     
  21. SDC

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    Tacxted, I've noticed the same thing when using ghost rings or rifle sights in skeet; I'll use them to make sure of my alignment when I first mount the gun, but by the time I'm tracking through the bird, I'm simply looking THROUGH the sights and focusing on the target.
     
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