8th graders win essay. Indoctrination is alive & well.

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You will not believe the views of these young people who
have gained an award for best written essay. It isn't so
much that it's only 3 young people, it's the fact that it
points at doing away with the 2nd Amendment. Brain
washing is still alive & well..>[excerpts below]
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/01-07/01-11-07/02opinion.htm

Back when the Constitution was adopted, the Second Amendment was relevant. It made sense back then because they had militias, an army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers. They also had more complex guns that required strength and knowledge to operate. Today we don't really have militias, so there isn't any logical reason to have the right to keep and bear arms because we now have standing armies (professional armies), and a National Guard for local protection. Also, back then the Founding Fathers spoke differently than we do today. They worded things broadly and not as specifically as they should have. You could even say it is the most confusing and misunderstood amendment of them all. If the Second Amendment were to be rewritten today, it would have been worded differently.

Our views regarding this controversy would have to be that we think we should get rid of the Second Amendment altogether. If not that, then change the way it is composed to something that is put into words we use today, to make clear to the people the actual meaning. We know some people will think that it won't change anything to just remove the amendment but America could become a safer place for people to live. They also could just say that people could have a gun in their house for self-protection, but keep it out of the reach of irresponsible people in the family, and only rifles or shotguns should be allowed. Handguns are simple to operate, and rifles and shotguns are too big
for infants and small children to use.
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I realize this is in Mass. Nonetheless this is something
we all should be concerned about. Why these young
people are using the 1st Amendment to condemn the
2nd Amendment is frightening in many ways. What's
alarming is they are rewarded for it.

I just wonder if a PRO 2nd Amendment essay would
of garnered the same respect. :confused:
 
You said it yourself. This is Mass.

A Lowell, Mass school just banned all brown clothing on threat of being sent home, because it was rumored that a local gang might favor brown clothes.
http://www.lowellsun.com/front/ci_4978082

In Mass, the children are indoctrinated to be good little sheep by their like-minded teachers...and if the teachers aren't doing that, they're replaced by ones that are.

Lost cause.

I just wonder if a PRO 2nd Amendment essay would
of garnered the same respect.
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No. They'd be given ritalin and sent to "anti-aggression" therapy with an aged pot-slowed-voice hippie dressed in rainbow clothes who would teach them to have group hugs.
 
Is the award for the actual position of the essay or for the form, content, and arguments put forth? That's actually not a bad essay for an 8th grader..

I had a Logic and Critical Thinking class and often wrote papers for positions that were completely opposite to what I believed. The professor didnt care at all about what your position was, only that you could from strong inductive arguments for your position.
 
Well all is not lost.

I did a presentation in my COMM class about the problems with gun control and by the end of the discussion, people were asking me where the local gun shop was. Even the teacher who was the classic hippy professor (tie dye shirt, long hair, self-professed socialist, vegan, etc) was agreeing with me about gun ownership and the in effectiveness of most gun control.

Notice I said, "most gun control" .. not all gun control. You start telling people that felons should be able to buy guns at the local gun shop, and you lose the audience. The key is not to take an extreme position and listen to the concerns and address them using logic. If someone asks why Assault Weapons should be legal, dont go off on some rant about the founding fathers.. Explain to them how semi-auto rifles work and how an AR-15 is no more deadly than any other semi-auto rifle. They'll usually say, "Hmmph, I didnt know that.. the AW Ban really is kinda dumb then"

Of course the hardcore antis will just say, "ban 'em all then!" .. but then they're not using reason and arent open to any other points of view just like gun owners who believe in absolutely no restrictions.
 
8th grade? I'd blame the parents. Hopefully Daddy (if there is one) won't ever have to defend the family with a golf club at 3am.
I agree that it was well written for an 8th grader. Content sucks though.
 
Yeah, I also have trouble with the wording of the first. Maybe we should just get rid of that one too.
 
ROFL!!!

This comes as no surprise to me. I've been telling people for the longest time that we're losing the culture war because the government owns the schools, and these institutions are nothing more than government run propaganda camps designed to indoctrinate and control.

If we want to protect the Second Amendment, we have to do what the Communists did decades ago - take over the education system. Become teachers, administrators, professors, council members...then set the curriculum to our liking.

That won't work of course, since the government oversees what is and isn't kosher for education. Empowering the PEOPLE is definitely NOT acceptable to the government.

These schools, teachers, parents and 8th graders can write all the essays they want -- I'm buying more guns and more ammo in preparation for the inevitable. Bring it on.
 
A Lowell, Mass school just banned all brown clothing on threat of being sent home, because it was rumored that a local gang might favor brown clothes.
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Excellent!

They have Browncoats in Mass schools!

lpl/nc (Serenity lives...)
 
I just wonder if a PRO 2nd Amendment essay would
of garnered the same respect
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Nope. I wrote one a couple months back. Nobody liked it. Only you guys :D



...the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, shall NOT be infringed.

Not that hard to understand.


Edit-- Read the whole thing. Unbeliveable!!

Unfortunately, people eventually took advantage of this right and started carrying weapons and saying that the Second Amendment gave them the OK. Because the population of these horrific people is growing constantly, it's hard to trust anyone with the right to keep and bear arms.
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Another way we could prevent gun violence is to make personalized guns that would fire only for an authorized user. This can be accomplished through a variety of user-recognition technologies — for example, fingerprint readers — that can be built into the design of the gun. Unless the firearm recognizes its authorized user, it is unable to fire.
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This segment tells us that many deaths were caused by guns, and the majority of those deaths were cause by handguns.
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I daresay you'd get a different response if written by 6 - 8th graders from Montana or Wyoming where I doubt they'd gloss over the key words, ..."being necessary for a free state".... in that article.

Of course children are indoctrinated by their schools. They're also brain-washed (tho that has a bad connotation) by their parents and relatives. I'm sure that these two young girls have never been taught a single lesson about 20th century gov'ts disarming then exterminating scores of millions of their dissenting (?) populations. I doubt their teachers are aware of that fact. Quite possibly their parents do not even care or know to pass that fact onto them.

You and I however, are aware of such acts. While it may not be in our government's best interest to teach our children this simple fact of life (I disagree BTW, as I'm sure you do) we do know WHY Madison et al made certain to include this exact (ambiguous?) language in the BOR's. They'd BTDT.

It's quite apparent that a majority of today's US population would give up their freedom/liberty for safety. Both of my two kids were taught Benjamin Franklin's wise words regarding that subject matter.

All that can be done now, is for some parents to add reasonable opposition to this mindset (that all we know we learned from our schools) and allow the future to unfold, hoping that some of the next generation learn how to "reason" and will choose freedom over safety.

We trudge onward.
 
"Also, back then the Founding Fathers spoke differently than we do today. They worded things broadly and not as specifically as they should have."

Ah, the future of America is in good hands. How comforting.

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"Everyone raise their right hand and say baa..."
 
Why don't people get this - THE SECOND AMENDMENT DOES NOT LEGALIZE MURDER OR PROMOTE GUN VIOLENCE. IT PROMOTES CIVIL DEFENSE.
 
not at my school...

I recently had students write essays on how literal interpretation of the constitution and in particular, defense of individual RKBA from the 2nd amendment was crucial for a free state. And I did it without indoctrination, I hope. Students are free to express opinions i just gave them nuggets to chew on which they spit out as ideas. Had some good essays come in. . . .
I knew I went to college for something.

ST
 
I've got to say, if some kid handed me that tripe, they'd fail. Not because they're anti-gun, but because like all other socialists I've ever met, they fail to back up their assertions in ANY way whatsoever. I guess the utter stupidity of other people's kids is why I'm not an education major, but sometimes I feel like I'm dealing with retarded kids in my political science classes as well... Wait, I AM!:barf:

This little bit
This segment tells us that many deaths were caused by guns, and the majority of those deaths were cause by handguns. These are the reasons why we would like to remove or rewrite the Second Amendment and stop gun violence in America.
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and the statistics they used, was alright, but they fail to take into account that guns don't just get up and decide to shoot someone on their own. One of two things must occur: criminal activity, or negligence. The only way to combat criminal activity is with force, or the threat of force. And with the "justice" system the way it is, I'm thinking deterrence is best left to the individual. And negligence, I'm sorry, but if you're too stupid to lock your guns up with kids in the house, or once they're of an appropriate age to teach them about them and get the wonder stigma out of them, than do we REALLY need your genes in the pool?

But alas, we agree on one thing, the second amendment should be worded differently. I'd settle for something like this:

Right to keep and bear arms for defense - The Citizens have a natural and inherent right to keep, bear, and carry modern arms on their person, in public, in their means of conveyance, in their homes, and in their places of business, be it openly or concealed; for the defense of themselves, their families, their property, and their Liberty; and no government in the United States or any political subdivision thereof may tax, license, or otherwise interfere in this inherent natural right.

Now, if I could just come up with a verbose and well worded way to say that these arms should be of the same type as modern militaries, I'd be all set there.
 
I've said before we need to be able to argue for gun rights on their own merits, rather than simply that it's in the constitution, or the 2nd would eventually end up being repealed. The constitution is not clad in stone and we can't use it as if it were an undefiable backing for gun ownership.
 
Wow, we are actually having threads complaining about essays written by 8th graders. Amazing. Do we still get to claim to be the side that makes sense on this one?

I mean yeah, awarding junior high kids for speaking against gun control is pretty silly, but not quite as silly as a bunch of grownups getting in a huff over it. Seriously, step back for a moment and realize that this thread is started with a post that is a direct quote of a paper writen by CHILDREN complete with bolded sections and criticism.
 
Good points c_yeager, but it worth discussing as this is the essay that won...which was picked by an adult panel.

On the other foot, perhaps it was the easiest to write about the 2nd as opposed to the other Amendments.
 
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