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950 Jetfire .25, and .25 in general

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by il_10, Feb 17, 2011.

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  1. il_10

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    So I just came into a Beretta 950 Jetfire in .25. It's a neat little gun, the build quality is unbelievable, and at 10 ounces I think I'm going to like it for those summer days at the beach and otherwise where anything bigger will be too much. But I am curious about .25 as a caliber. It gets a tough time, and for good reason, but compared to the .22lr in a similar barrel length is it really that terrible?

    Especially compared to something like the NAA revolvers that are so popular now. 5 rounds of .22lr, in a single action no less, seems to be quite a bit less desirable than 9 rounds of the lowly .25 in a semi with spare mags on tap.

    Now, I'm certainly not a proponent of .25 auto as a primary SD caliber. I usually carry .38spl and 9x18 mak (both of which a lot of people consider marginal themselves, but I digress), so I'm just looking for a good objective comparison of the .25acp and the .22lr out of similar super-short barrel lengths. And, of course, any insight into the little beretta mouse gun. :D
     
  2. billybob44

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    Answer your own question...

    Go to an "Open" outdoor range, where you can shoot milk jugs full of water+test for yourself.:) You will find(see) that the .22LR. has ALOT more going for it than the .25acp.:uhoh:
    The .25 just does not have the speed/bullet design to use for much of anything. Yes, stuck in a BG's ear, it will change his attitude, but no, it is NOT as good as a performer as is the .22LR.:banghead:
     
  3. P7

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    It's a neat little gun. The one I had was fun to shoot and quite reliable. Granted, it's underpowered. The .25 is probably more reliable in an auto than 22 LR even though it has less oomph.
     
  4. MICHAEL T

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    Their a great little 25 I have 2 of the 950 and 1 model 20, DA/SA The 25 is better than22 LR from same size pistol. That includes on milk jugs . I also have 2 of the 21 A Beretta's in 22 LR Their nice I bought them for play and cheap practice pistol But I will carry one of my 25 first. Use Ball ammo. In Jell the 25 ball tested 13 to 16 " the 22 wasn't even close. .22 needs longer barrel then will walk all over the 25
    But in 2" barrels the 25 is better choice .
    I consider the NAA revolvers a joke I have one with the 22 mag 22 LR 1 5/8 " barrel
    I can draw and hit faster with the Beretta and deliver more rounds in less time than that single action toy. I perfer the 25 .
     
  5. David E

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    As Michael stated above, from the same 2" barrel, the .25 outperforms the .22 LR.

    Most of the folks that point out how much better the .22 is conveniently forget to mention it's being fired from a much longer barrel.......sometimes even from a RIFLE. :rolleyes:

    In the small guns, the .25 is generally more reliable than the .22. JM Browning invented the .25 acp because he couldn't get a small gun to reliably run with the .22's of the era.

    Be aware that the Jetfire has no extractor. That means that your chosen ammo better work! My Beretta Model 20 did not care for CCI Blazer and didn't always bust the primer on those.

    I didn't expect much from the .25 and don't recall how or why I get that Model 20, but since I had it, I wanted to see what it would do. I went to the local dump and shot a 55 gallon drum, expecting to see large dents in it. I was surprised to see the bullets actually penetrated.....BOTH sides.

    It's not a powerhouse by any stretch, but the Beretta does hold 9 rds. A rapid face-full of nine .25's should convince most folks to change their mind about trying to kill you.

    I'd hate to rely on it on purpose, but it does beat a harsh word.
     
  6. makarovnik

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    .25acp has decent penetration with FMJ. I love mine.
     
  7. Jed Carter

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    My Jetfire hits 10X at 10 yards easy, I just put the base of the front sight even with the top of the rear sight notch, put the X on top of the front sight. Yours may be different, mine is a great shooter, but beyond 10 yards I would not trust the .25 to do the job, .22 even less. Rimfire ammunition in a magazine fed pistol is not a prefered choice, but I would prefer it to a NAA revolver.
     
  8. critter

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    The .25 (not being a rimfire) is more likely to be reliable in a semiauto. Also, centerfire rounds are less likely to have a no-fire round than a rimfire. I've been having several 'dud' .22 LR's lately in more than one brand. (NOT gun related as it happened in multiple guns of mine as well as 2 shooting friends.)

    The .25 is quite viable in a 'mouse gun' role.
     
  9. Jon Coppenbarger

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    The little beretta's are still a very popular pistol for self defense. maybe not the best choice for a small cal. pistol with all of the 380's out these days but still a great little pistol.
    I see many folks believe it or not that have trouble racking the slide on small autos and love tip up barrel design on them.
    You are also spot on about the 22 being not as reliable in those small pistols and 22 ammo in general lately have been a pita to find them that work as every time as a center fire round.
     
  10. Clark

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    I hand load the 25acp so hot that the recoil hurts.

    Someone was carrying a 22 for the head shot in downed deer, but it was not getting the job done.

    He did penetration tests and my loads penetrate 6X deeper than the 22, so he is carrying a 25 now.
     
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    I sold my 950 .25 because the safety would get pushed on every 3rd round or so. I found that unacceptable in a carry gun.
     
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    Jed Carter-

    Thanks for the accuracy comment. I'd been looking for info like that!

    Lone Star
     
  13. MICHAEL T

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    The 950 made in Italy. Before the 1968 Gun control act stopped their importation. They have no safety on them. I have a LNIB unfired one. . When they started making in USA they went to thumb safety.
    Owners manual even tells you to carry hammer down loaded chamber Gee pre lawyer gun. When people knew how to lower a hammer and then how to cock and fire. a SA hammer gun. .
     
  14. Weevil

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    I've got an INOX 950 I picked up about 10 years ago or so.

    Great little pistol that's been 100% reliable straight from the box, something I can't say about any of the .22 mouseguns I've owned including a Beretta 21A.

    I used to carry it occasionally as a BUG. Not something I'd want as a first choice in a battle but still 9 rounds of .25 in their chest might take a little bit of the fight out of a badguy. ;)
     
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    I just bought a 21a in 25acp yesterday. I plan on shooting it tonight or tomorrow. Michael is the 950 a tip up barrel also?
     
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    Excellent BUG. FAR, FAR superior to a .22 from a 2 inch barrel. :)
     
  17. MICHAEL T

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    Yes the 950 is a tip up also.

    I was trying out new lube TRU Recoil today and ran 100 rounds of 22 LR CCI standard velocity lead round nose Through new 21A in 22 LR I have read were these are sometimes trouble This one went 100 rounds with myself and daughter shooting never missed a lick.
    I have a thing for the little tip up 25 and 22' Beretta's Wouldn't walk across street for the 32 model or larger guns
     
  18. MikeJackmin

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    I can offer you two tips about that excellent little pistol:

    1) Get a replacement magazine release button, and put the original away (it just unscrews). File the new one down until it no longer protrudes from the grip panel. This will prevent a stray fingertip from dropping the magazine.

    2) Get a piece of 2x4, and a phillip's head screwdriver or similar implement. Stab that board a couple of times just as hard as you can, and note the result. Now shoot the board a few times with that little .25 and compare.

    Almost any handgun will hit harder than a .25, but it is no toy, and it is surely much better than no gun at all.
     
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    People that think .25 acp are underpowered pipsqueak little rounds have A. NEVER fired any .25 acp, B. Never tried any European .25 acp ammunition such as Geco, Fiocchi, or RWS

    Fresh ammo goes a long way towards improving the performance of the pistol and ammo too.

    Most of the lackluster soft target performance reports can be traced to old ammunition.

    This is a problem I have noted with small caliber ammuntion is because so little powder is used in the loads and gunpowder breaks down with age, the cartridge power levels decrease as time goes by.
    In some cases power and performance decrease dramatically.

    My opinion is that no .22-.25-.32-.380 cartridges should be used for serious defense after they are about three years old.
    Shoot your older stuff in practice and rotate your defense loads for new cartridges once a year if not sooner.
     
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    I had a 950 .25, I swear I could empty that thing in under a second.
     
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    Yeah you do need to keep in mind this isn't some one-shot-stop service caliber.

    Don't bother saving a few rounds just empty it into them and hope you can kick somebody's hind end that's just been shot 9 times with a .25.

    The 950 is a nice little SA with a short trigger reset that makes it very easy to empty out in a big hurry.
     
  22. Ala Tom

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    Here are the averages I calculated for several actual cartridges for several calibers discussed above.

    .22LR_______101 FT LB
    .25 AUTO_____72 FT LB
    .32 AUTO____133 FT LB
    .380 AUTO___190 FT LB
    9MM_________361 FT LB (9X19) 115-124 GR
    40S&W_______410 FT LB 150-180 GR
    45 AUTO_____376 FT LB 185-230 GR

    The full data can be seen at

    Look here for the actual data from Handguns Magazine

    The .22LR definitely beats the .25. At the top end, there is not much difference between the calibers. You can pick a 9mm cartridge that beats many of the others and like wise some .45 auto can beat most of the others.

    This just shows general trends.
     
  23. MICHAEL T

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    25 Beretta and the 2x4
    Well I just went out and got me a 4' 2x4 Went and prop it up against my plywood target holding board. Wide side facing I have bad eyes

    Here ammo used WW ball , Hornady 35gr. JHP, Speer 35 gr GDHP.

    Beretta model 20. It was in my pocket. Distance approx 8' , Its a pocket pistol and I have bad eyes .

    shot 1 WW ball Round went thru and exited Small chuck wood removed back side.:) This ammo was several years old.
    shot 2 Hornady JHP Round went thru exited Took out about a inch long chunk on back side. :eek:
    shot 3 Speer Gold dot Went went thru and exited took out a chunk of wood about 2 times size of Hornady .:what:
    Note No rounds recovered as they also passed thru my plywood target board :rolleyes:

    Note if 2x4 attacks me Iam using 25 auto not screwdriver :neener:

    I had faith in the 25 A year or so a 22 Mag NAA lover posted a test he did with wood a Phone book and something else mad statement 380 owners top this. Re repeated his test with 25 and beat his results . No need to waste expensive 380 ammo .
    The 25 isn't a joke or a toy It will send you to hospital or into the ground if shot by one. .
     
  24. Ala Tom

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    In the data set mentioned above, the .22 data is for long rifle, standard velocity. One cartridge has 150 ft lbs, giving the 380 a run for its money. No .22 cartridge was as low as the average .25 but one .25 was as high as the average .22. I fired the .25 years ago. It beat my .22 short Beretta but not much else. The .22 short was great for frog hunting.
     
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    What 22 LR gr and what barrel length no way 101ft lbs from short barrel. Thats from a rifle . Here from NAA on their 22 1 5/8 " barrel These are FPS for 2 pistols average

    CCI standered vol 40 gr 666fps
    CCI 29 gr. 789fps
    Mini mag 36gr 789fps
    mini mag 40 gr. 723fps

    Those numbers and bullet weights ain't going to be 101ftlbs.
     
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