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9mm ain't all that bad???

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Greg8098, May 10, 2007.

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  1. Greg8098

    Greg8098 Member

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    There was once a time when I looked upon any 9mm as being a poor choice, but for a while here lately, that is the only autoloading caliber that I am interested in. I kinda see the 9 as being sort of the " .357 of the semi-autos". Just think about it, you can plink with cheap as dirt regular ball, and carry +p, or +p+, and have the roughly the equivalent of any .40 or .45. I may just be developing into a cheapskate :eek: , but I think a good quality 9mm such as Glock, HK, Ruger, FNH, etc, should be sufficient for any "social" situation. On top of that +p, and +p+, shouldn't have a great wear and tear effect on decently built pistols.

    I don't know if the gas prices and ammo prices are starting to get to me or what, but if anybody has different views on this I would like to here them. I'm now thinking of eliminating the .357 sigs, and the .45, because even though they are great, there is nothing really special about them IMO.

    P.S- The 10mm goes nowhere, its here to stay !!!
     
  2. obxned

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    Much better bullet design is mostly responsible for making the 9mm a decent SD cartridge. It will do the job.

    (...but I'll stick to the ,45 - I'm old and set in my ways)
     
  3. General Disarray

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    The joke at my shootin range is "Why doesn't anyone pick up 9mm brass? Cuz they don't want you lookin up their skirt".

    Unfortunately that attitude kept me steering clear of 9mm for years. I've been an avid .40s&w guy. So I pick up my buddy's Beretta a few weeks ago and tore the center out of a target in zero.zero seconds with a 15 rnd clip. I paused for a long while and was like "where the hell have you been all my life?". Weird how your perspectives can change so readily, especially on beliefs you've had for years.

    So I got myself a SigPro 9mm this weekend and have tore through half a case already. I don't pick up the brass, cuz of the whole skirt thing, but damn I love having my pistol stay on target. What a concept, huh?
     
  4. jsebens

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    Personally, I can't see myself buying anything but a 9mm unless a magazine limit gets passed again; if I can only have ten rounds, I might as well go with a .45, but I'd rather carry 9mm with a high-cap magazine.
     
  5. Waywatcher

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    With 9mm +P+, who needs a .40?

    Welcome to the dark side. :evil:
     
  6. Omaha-BeenGlockin

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    Bad subject---BUT----if there's any question of the effectiveness of the 9mm----go ask 30+ or so families in Virginia just how effective the 9mm is.
     
  7. Onmilo

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    Look at the 9mm Parabellum this way,,,,it is a short, rimless, .38 special +P+ and the pistols allow you to carry up to three times as much ammo in the same package.
    When one looks at the 9mm with an open mind it isn't so bad after all.
     
  8. SaxonPig

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    The 9mm isn't the ballistic equal of a fully loaded .357 but it's enough. My daily carry is a S&W 659 loaded with 115 JHPs that clock 1250 from my gun. That's sufficient.

    Nothing you can hold in one hand will ever be a true man-stopper. In the one gunfight I witnessed a slightly built man weighing no more than 135 pounds took 4 hits in the torso from a .45 ACP and ran nearly 100 yards before collapsing from loss of blood.

    So much the awesome power of the .45 ACP.
     
  9. ozwyn

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    I consider the 9mm round just large enough to be effective to stop most human threats, but small enough to let you get away with a little less range time if you are budget/time constrained.

    Lack of recoil helps reduce flinching. Shot placement goes a long way to making the round effective.

    Yes, it is a compromise round, and yes, it is a proven round.

    Not sure I would go much under 9mm, but 9mm works well if the person pulling the trigger does his/her job well.

    I really like the .45 and I have shot and enjoyed to 10mm, but I don't always have the time to practice well with them.
     
  10. alucard0822

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    I cannot count how many times I got flamed over my love for a certain 9mm beretta 92fs, it is about the easiest centerfire pistol I have to shoot well, never jams, holds 15 and is great fun to pop 15 in a couple seconds. The "limited effectiveness" of 9mm has been mostly attributed to fmj ball ammo. Modern gold dots, HST and Rangers are very effective not only for the recipient, but high capacity, low recoil and cheap ammo allowing more practice are big advantages over chamberings that often get more praise.
     
  11. Whirlwind06

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    That is pretty much all I shoot right now.
    Keep leaving 9mm brass on the range. I'll pick it up!
    I guess I'm the small minority that reloads 9mm. I'm only saving $120 a year or so. But that almost covers my range fees for a year.
     
  12. MrPeter

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    The only reason I don't carry 9mm isn't because I'm worried that it can't do the job. I carry 40 S&W sometimes and .45ACP most of the time because to me the recoil isn't really any different (after firing an xd9 and an xd45 side by side) the magazine capacity is still enough to get the job done, and I'm worried that if I load 9mm+P++P+P+P+P+P++ etc, to get a powerful enough load, then when I actually need my gun I'm sure it will be the skinniest BG I've ever seen, and overpenetration will surely cause some expensive (both morally and financially) collateral damage.

    Hmm, that's kind of a long sentence. Oh well. Summary: I fear overpenetration. :uhoh:
     
  13. 03Shadowbob

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    I agree that 9mm is not bad at all. It has been proven to do the job over and over again. It is easy to shoot, easy to get back on target, very little recoil, high cap ability and cheap to shoot. It is the perfect gun for lots of people.
    I recently sold my 9mm to a very good friend to get him into shooting and so I could consolidate to only .40s and .45s, except for the P3AT.
     
  14. Vonderek

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    The "up-the-skirt" thing is a silly attitude...probably promulgated by guys who find it necessary to buy the biggest pickup truck on the market, and then find it necessary to hang a chrome ballsack off the trailer hitch. But I digress. Cheap 9mm target loads gets you twice as much trigger time as .45 for the same price and modern factory jhp design is plenty good for SD. I love shooting my .45 but hear a cash register ring every time I pull the trigger. 9mm is what I carry every day. BTW-No one picks up 9mm brass because new stuff is still cheap to buy. With ammo prices continuing through the roof that will change and there will be lots of "up-the-skirt" lookers!
     
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    I just got into reloading 9mm walmart white box is now up to $16 for 100, I can reload fmj for about $10 for 100, that $12-$18 per range trip really adds up, and I have a guaranteed supply if they get scarce, I also have a couple carbines in 9mm so it goes fast. 8mm mauser,9mm and 10mm are three of the most versatile cartridges ever developed and probably my 3 favorite.
     
  16. bakert

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    Nothing wrong with the 9MM and you don't really need 15 or more rds for a pistol chambered for it to be effective although if it makes one feel better to have that many rds, more power to them. With todays loads it's a little cat with big claws. Even with the FMJ rds it's killed one helluva lot of people since it was introduced way back when.
     
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    I wouldn't want to get shot with a 9MM... That being said, my primary carry is usually a .32, .380, and sometimes 9MM...
     
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    http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm

    Read that and then come back and tell us that 9mm is not an effective caliber.


    If you ever find yourself in a situation where you need to use your handgun, even if you're packing a .500mag you're going to wish it was a long gun.
     
  19. fishingjld

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    I agree, I carry a 9mm on a daily basis and maybe if everyone didn't need to be so manly then we could all get over the whole "bigger is better thing". I have had a .45 caliber and I shot it like hell. I think directly related to weak wrists but whatever the case my 9mm gave me opportunity to shoot well and have fun. anyone that wants to throw jokes down on someone then go ahead and put it on me. i will just be happy that we all enjoy the same sport and i will just be happy carrying something i can shoot without breaking my puny wrists. :evil:
     
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    I'm another 9mm fan. Between my wife and I we have four of them. (XD-9, G-19, Smith and Wesson 39-2, Hi-Point C-9) All of them shoot great, (even the Hi-Point) and the ammo is releativly inexpensive.

    I bought a Colt Commander in 45 this spring, thinking I'd carry it, but to be honest it's a heavy beast so I mostly carry the 39-2 these days. I shoot the XD better, but the Smith is so light, and so flat, and just plain looks and feels so good I keep coming back to it. There is just something about a blue gun with wood grips.

    I must admit though, that Glock 19 is mighty tempting. :eek:
     
  21. General Disarray

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    Is that really an issue if you're using JHP's, or some other fragmenting round? I thought on ball ammo would rip on through and keep going.

    What is the meanest fragmenter?
     
  22. daysleeprx

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    I'm a 9mm fan as well, and I have no qualms about it being "effective" because I'm confident in my ability to shoot it well. In fact right now my nightstand gun is a 9mm (even if only because my .45s are both at the smith).
     
  23. Waywatcher

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    High velocity, lightweight hollow points are the least likely to over-penetrate, and the most likely to fragment.

    E.g.
    9mm +P+ 115gr JHP
    .45ACP 165gr +P JHP
    .40S&W 135gr JHP
    Etc.

    According to certain standards, they under-penetrate. They have a great street record, however.
     
  24. mavracer

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    properly fed 9mm are great,fairly easy to shoot well and powerful enough to get the job done.would not carry one in NJ where one must use non hollow points.really dosn't matter what pistol you have when it comes time to use it to defend your self you'll wish it was an 870 12 guage
     
  25. Waywatcher

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    I would still carry it in NJ, but with EFMJ rounds.
     
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