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9mm and Hog Hunting

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by mbt2001, Jul 17, 2007.

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  1. mbt2001

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    I came across the below article on Gunblast... I included the link so that you could check out the pictures. It seems pretty clear that he used a 9mm effectively on the hog. Makes an interesting read.

     
  2. MCgunner

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    There are better calibers for hogs that don't require magic ammo. Frankly, I don't care WHAT ammo a 9 is fed, fine self defense round, but I'll take a .357 Magnum or larger for hunting anything bigger'n rabbits.
     
  3. HippieCrusher

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    I agree. 9mm v. hog would worry me. We have a right good bit of them breeding in and around our place. I always carry my .357 to the bow stand - just in case and for good reason. Sometimes there isn't a big enough tree nearby to scramble up. I want to hit them as hard as possible.
     
  4. MCgunner

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    My place is filled with 'em. They're not going to attack you. I've walked by heavy rose hedge and seen 'em hold up in there, shot a few that way. You can be feet from a big boar and never know it for all the thick cover down here. I tote my .45 Colt or a .357 when I hike just for in case I get an opportunity for some bacon. I hunt them with rifle or Contender, usually.
     
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    Extreme Shock has yet to demonstrate any ability beyond other bullets that are a fraction of the price.

    9mm on hogs? Yet another example of "can" vs. "should". I'll stick with heavy .45 Colt.
     
  6. Harley Quinn

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    The penetration of the 9mm is important over some of the others I have noticed. The 357 Sig is a penetrating fool.

    I remember this conversation a few years ago. So many stories so little time.

    ;)
     
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    I've heard stories about an elephant killed with one shot from a .22 also. I'd stick to .357 or larger for hogs, regarless of what is possible to do with smaller calibers.
     
  8. Harley Quinn

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    The 9mm Largo is a good one I'd think, if anyone has an old Astra that is;)

    The 357 Sig and the 357 Mag are not that far apart imho. The extra weight of the bullet might help a little. I like the 9mm and its various others.

    .355 is one and .357 is the other. The weight around 140 grn. is a pretty good one, I like that Lellier and Bellot cz round that is out.
    I was told when I got them at the store they were around 1400+ not to shabby. 6" wolf barrel in a Glock, nice, shoots well.

    The 10 round limit is to bad, but I do have a hi cap in a 40 cal if needed on the hunt :D
     
  9. MCgunner

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    There's a huge difference in .357 mag and Sig in the bullet weight issue and the ability of the Magnum to push a 180 grain bullet to nearly 800 ft lbs from a 6.5" Blackhawk in my case. I get 785 ft lbs from it and the longer, heavier bullet will penetrate. I wouldn't hunt hogs with a 140 or less, 158 hard cast SWC minimum. And, I really prefer shooting my 180 grain load.

    No Sig can match those ballistics. If you wanna match that and a tad more, you can get yourself a 10mm for an autoloader, but the Sig ain't it. The Sig round runs in the sub 600 ft lbs range, more like lightly over 500, and actually shoots a 9mm bullet which limits it to 147 grains max. It has neither the energy, nor more importantly the penetration of the .357 Magnum.
     
  10. Harley Quinn

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    I am not sure about all of what you wrote regarding your thoughts.
    Speed, weight etc are going to be the major factor.

    Here is a link:
    http://www.chuckhawks.com/357magnum.htm

    So if I am shooting a 140 grain at 1400+ it is developing the same as the 357 doing similar.
    As far a penetration goes I am not sure you can convince me a 180 lumbering is going to have the penetration as the 140 zipping along.

    Same old same old.

    But it is nice to read some of the various thoughts, The length of barrel and other factors are really important to this also.

    I guess a good 357 with a 10'' barrel would be good one for this topic. But since I carry the 357 Sig as a CCW, I am still happy with it.

    I would have the Sig as a back up and be carring a 35 cal lvr for the main action any way. It is a good one for shooting the little critter with a 180 grainer.;)

    http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/35remington.htm

    :uhoh:
     
  11. MCgunner

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    Lumbering? I'm tellin' ya, the 180 don't lumber. It's fast as your 140 at 1400!

    Here's actual chronograph results, pretty close to Buffalo Bore's 180 grain claims:

    180 JHPXTP 13.8 grains AA#9...6.5" blackhawk....1401 fps/785 ft lbs

    2.3" SP101.........1306 fps/682 ft lbs

    That's lumbering along? Plus, the sectional density of a 180 grain bullet will assure better penetration, let along the higher energy and momentum. I've skinned big hogs with big gristle plates. I want more gun than a Sig. Actually, I really want more gun on a BIG hog than the .357, tell ya the truth. The .45 Colt loaded for my other Blackhawk is more like it. But, I hunt mostly with a .30-30 Contender. I cheat. :D

    The Sig round would be okay for the little 100-200 lbs hogs that don't have the heavy gristle plate, but the big hogs demand big power and penetration. There is just no way, though, that the .357 Sig is even in the same ball park ballistically with the .357 Magnum with appropriate hunting weight bullets. Now, for 125 grain self defense factory loads in 3-4" revolvers, it's a lot closer.

    The Sig round can't do any more than it's parent .40 S&W does, frankly. Both are in the same power ballpark and the .40 shoots bigger bullets. The Sig was a marketing ploy, no more, no less.
     
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    MCgunner,

    That is a nice read thanks.

    I know they say shoot them in any steel gun. :uhoh: But I am wondering what kind of pressures they are at with those heavy bullets:scrutiny:

    I have a SuperBlackHawk in 44 mag that might do the trick;)

    What is their technique? Most of what I have read that kind of speed out of a 180 or 200 is not there? They have come a long way in the last year or so.:confused:


    :)
     
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    ROF! If you've got a .44 Superblackhawk, why you wanna mess with a .357 anything, much less a Sig, on hogs? LOL!!!!

    Buffalo Bore just has the right powder matched to that bullet. I've found the heavier bullets are much less dependent on barrel length than the really light weights, too. 125s require a fast powder in a short barrel, or at least faster than the norm because the bullet accelerates so fast it is out the barrel before the pressure peak of a normal slow powder for the caliber. If you load it with a faster powder, you're going to peak quicker, but it's still a compromise. That's why I like 140s for self defense in my SP101 in preference to the 125 grainers.

    AA#9 is an excellent powder, especially for heavy bullets, in .357 magnum. I developed the load in my Blackhawk. I don't have an Ohler, no strain gauge, no way to measure pressure. Got the load out of a magazine article when the AA powders came on the scene, was over a decade ago. Buffalo Bore claims their loads are safe in any gun chambered for .357 magnum including J frames. They do pressure test, so I wouldn't doubt their claims.

    What blows my mind is what they get out of that 180 in a rifle barrel! WOW, I can't approach that with my 180 handload in my 20" Rossi carbine. They're pushin' .30-30 Winchester velocities. I gotta get some of that stuff and test it in my rifle. I've been curious about that since I read about the Buffalo Bore stuff first time, but the price scares me, LOL!

    Oh, one other thing about the sig vs magnum thing, I'll take a revolver's accuracy, most times, over the usual semi auto's accuracy. Now, I've got a P90 that will shoot with most revolvers, but on the average, a revolver is a more accurate gun for hunting, extended range shooting.
     
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    As I mentioned in a post prior, Id be carring a 35 Lvr, using the 357 Sig as a backup. I think it is cool to go out with the handguns but it is a shame not to be able to make sure with a good rifle.

    I bought an SKS to take with me on a hunt (has a cool bayonet) if they get past that I'd use the bayonet or the 9mm;) The stalking is cool.

    Are we talking stalk or perch (stand) most the TX's hunters are drivers and never leave the road:D

    HQ
     
  16. MCgunner

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    East Texas, stand hunting is about all that's effective. Out west in the desert, it's mostly spot and stalk. Since I'm usually on a stand, I don't carry a handgun with me much, but out west I do and it's usually a medium frame .357. I like the versatility. I've taken rabbits for camp meat about every time I've gone out there using .38 ammo. When I need it, i have .357 I can load up with. Took a Javelina one year with the .357. I really like spot and stalk hunting, but it's near impossible in the woods and brush. Best to set up a stand on a "sendero" (long clearing) or overlooking a feeder or both. Down here, it's pretty brushy and there aren't any tall pine trees to use for a tree stand, so the most popular affordable way is a tripod stand, but some guys seem to have a competition for who's got the nicest "palace" on stilts. LOL My best stand is a 120 dollar tripod from Academy.

    Somebody posted this "texas Deer Stand" a while back, LOL!
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    Here's my SKS night hog gun for stand use. But, I have only been out with it once, not much of a night person.
    [​IMG]
     
  17. Harley Quinn

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    Pretty neat picture's, I like your sense of humor.
     
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    I knew I've been doing it alllllllll wrong. Now, this format of hunting...I could get my wife into it!
     
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    Just an observation regarding the .357 and the .357 SIG; velocity in this case is probably not nearly as important as bullet weight and bullet construction.

    The .357 Magnum can be loaded with (and there are many "small factory" loads with) heavily constructed 158 grain+ softpoints - and 180 grain+ hardcast lead bullets of various alloys. The latter on a larger proportional scale in the form of various .44 and up caliber revolver loads have been used very effectively on such critters as water buffalo in africa and australia. A heavy for caliber hard lead bullet need not be going very fast to achieve reliable and deep penetration.
     
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