BerettaNut92
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How practical is a short, light, red dotted, taclighted 9mm 16" carbine for HD, or as a car gun?
9mm Carbine for HD or car gun?
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Arkady
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Does it take some kind of large-capacity magazine?
As a short range weapon, it would be more than sufficient, especially with really large magazines... something like 32 rounds.
If you've only got 10 rounds or so, go for something like a 12 gauge.
As a short range weapon, it would be more than sufficient, especially with really large magazines... something like 32 rounds.
If you've only got 10 rounds or so, go for something like a 12 gauge.
No4Mk1*
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What type of scenerio are you trying to prepare for by having a car gun?
I can't think of any where I would want a 9x19mm long gun.
I can't think of any where I would want a 9x19mm long gun.
All kinds of pros and cons, but off hand, I think I would prefer a 9mm carbine over the shotgun. Something like the High Point (don't knock it if you haven't tried it) would do pretty well. At short range, the shotgun doesn't spread enough to consider and at longer range it does not have the accuracy and penetration.
If you plan on trunk carry, a sporting pump shotgun has the advantage that you can say "Gee, officer, I had been hunting or clay pigeon shooting and forgot the gun was there", something you can't say with the 9mm.
Jim
If you plan on trunk carry, a sporting pump shotgun has the advantage that you can say "Gee, officer, I had been hunting or clay pigeon shooting and forgot the gun was there", something you can't say with the 9mm.
Jim
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Well, I've got that neat little Kel-Tec Sub200 9mm folding carbine. Fits in a computer laptop bag (16X9), is quick into action, makes one hole at 50 feet offhand and takes hi-caps. (sorry- standard caps)
Costs about $383 retail.
Oh, you asked about PRACTICAL...
Well....
Ummm.....
I'm sure someone will be along to answer that for you any minute now...
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Well, I've got that neat little Kel-Tec Sub200 9mm folding carbine. Fits in a computer laptop bag (16X9), is quick into action, makes one hole at 50 feet offhand and takes hi-caps. (sorry- standard caps)
Costs about $383 retail.
Oh, you asked about PRACTICAL...
Well....
Ummm.....
I'm sure someone will be along to answer that for you any minute now...
-LeadPumper
bogie
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Skunkster, a semi-auto tends to set off alarm bells with certain folks - we all know who they are...
But a Winchester or Marlin in .357, .44 or .45 looks like grampa's gun. Or heck, .30-30 works just fine. They load and cycle pretty fast too.
Remember also that you don't need "firepower" if the first round does the trick.
But a Winchester or Marlin in .357, .44 or .45 looks like grampa's gun. Or heck, .30-30 works just fine. They load and cycle pretty fast too.
Remember also that you don't need "firepower" if the first round does the trick.
Marko Kloos
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I like cheap surplus bolt-action guns as trunk/car rifles. They look docile, they're cheap to feed, and they're easy to replace without breaking the bank. Get a Yugo M48 Mauser or SKS, and you're all set.
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Lendringser, I thought about a Tasco/Millet scout mounted SKS for an easy shooter, but prefer to stick to my current calibers. An M1 Garand is too much to lose though. The 9mm carbine looks nice and cheap!
Maybe I should just get it over with and buy a crapload of SKS's.
Maybe I should just get it over with and buy a crapload of SKS's.
another48hrs
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Maybe you should look for a Destroyer Carbine. I don't know how hard they are to find, but the magazines are always on sale on Gunbroker.
Redlg155
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For home defense it is excellent. Quick follow up shots and the extra 100 fps or so gained can make a difference. You should be able to get a good 115gr +P JHP close to 1400 fps. A 124gr +P at 1300+ FPS. In this weapon type a +P makes sense because unlike a handgun, +P loads won't make a significant difference in muzzle blast or recoil. Magnum like performance with rifle handling qualities and very little recoil can equal a real winner.
As a car gun it also makes sense. Snake shot can be used to dispatch pesky critters and small vermin. You can develop ultra quiet subsonic loads for use in situations where very little noise is preferable. It would make a great "hush puppy" gun on neighborhood coyotes and feral critters. A rifle shot would definitely wake the neighborhood. Hits to 100 meters are very easy. Although velocites will be down, a 124gr JHP travelling 200 fps or so slower than the MV of 1300 is still pretty potent.
So yes, it does make sense.
I get mine back from Kurts Kustom tonight. UPS Hurry up!!!
Good Shooting
RED
As a car gun it also makes sense. Snake shot can be used to dispatch pesky critters and small vermin. You can develop ultra quiet subsonic loads for use in situations where very little noise is preferable. It would make a great "hush puppy" gun on neighborhood coyotes and feral critters. A rifle shot would definitely wake the neighborhood. Hits to 100 meters are very easy. Although velocites will be down, a 124gr JHP travelling 200 fps or so slower than the MV of 1300 is still pretty potent.
So yes, it does make sense.
I get mine back from Kurts Kustom tonight. UPS Hurry up!!!
Good Shooting
RED
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Although it can probably serve the purpose, I wouldn't choose something that fires a handgun round as my primary weapon for either scenario, carbine or not. Only exception would be if I lived in a Class III state and can get one with select fire or full auto.
DMK
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I like the idea of a 30-30 lever action, but if that tube gets dented by something in the trunk, behind the seat, whatever, it could cause some loading trouble. Also you'd have to keep the tube loaded, which may not be a good idea legally.
A pistol caliber semi-auto like a Kel-tec, Marlin, Ruger or something similar is it's very short and handy. You can keep the mags loaded, but not in the rifle so the gun isn't legally loaded. If you carry a 9mm, pistol then you have more ammo on you. Even better if the guns use the same mags.
I'd go with ghost sights instead of a red-dot or optics in a car gun though. You want something that can put up with a lot of variations in temperature, get knocked around some and still come up ready for work.
An SKS with Mojo peep sights is probably a good truck/car rifle, certainly cheap, tough and reliable. You'd have to keep the loaded stripper clips in a pouch or 7.62x39 rounds will be rolling all over your floor boards. Fumbling with the strippers might not be as easy as slapping in a magazine either.
A pistol caliber semi-auto like a Kel-tec, Marlin, Ruger or something similar is it's very short and handy. You can keep the mags loaded, but not in the rifle so the gun isn't legally loaded. If you carry a 9mm, pistol then you have more ammo on you. Even better if the guns use the same mags.
I'd go with ghost sights instead of a red-dot or optics in a car gun though. You want something that can put up with a lot of variations in temperature, get knocked around some and still come up ready for work.
An SKS with Mojo peep sights is probably a good truck/car rifle, certainly cheap, tough and reliable. You'd have to keep the loaded stripper clips in a pouch or 7.62x39 rounds will be rolling all over your floor boards. Fumbling with the strippers might not be as easy as slapping in a magazine either.
Beer for my Horses
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For home defense, a 9mm carbine would make a fine defensive weapon. Until Santa brings me the MP-5 I've been asking for I make due with my Glock 17. I use to advocate shotguns for home defense, but after some training I've found the pistol to be far more effective and practical in tight environments. . . . nonetheless, my shotgun still rests near the bed in case I have to wait out a home invasion in my safe room.
For a car gun, you can't beat a lever rifle. I'd even feel comfortable loading it with a "pistol" caliber like .44 Mag.
For a car gun, you can't beat a lever rifle. I'd even feel comfortable loading it with a "pistol" caliber like .44 Mag.
Double Naught Spy
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What you need to consider in making such a decision is just exactly what is it that a pistol caliber carbine is going to offer as a significant improvement over a handgun of the same caliber, especially at short ranges such as within the home. If one answer is "less recoil" than you need to better assess you basic gun handling skills as 9 mm should not be difficult to handle. Velocity should not be a big issue as the carbine isn't going to offer any sort of tremendous performance enhancement. The carbine will also be a hinderance for tight areas such as corners. A pistol will be easier to manipulate in such instances. The one big advantage of the carbine is that it may be easier to hit targets at longer ranges with the longer sight radius. Obviously, this means little to the HD situation.
What about for the car? Carbines are harder to conceal, harder to bring into action from behind the steering wheel, and potentially may only be beneficial from longer ranges over a pistol.
Basically, I can't really see much reason a person would want a pistol caliber carbine for defensive type shooting if there is not some major function advantage. One such advantage would be if you had a permit for something like and MP5 in full auto. Then the extra size is made up for by fire power and the extra weight helps with recoil issues that are real in a full auto fire situation.
Otherwise, if you are going to have something carbine-sized, why limit yourself to flacid fire power compared to what you could be shooting with a rifle caliber or shotgun from a comparable-sized weapon?
I would offer one nice exception from my state of Texas. You can openly carry a loaded rifle or shotgun in your vehicle...no permit needed and being loaded is not an issue - legally. So, if you needed to have a gun with you that was loaded but did not have a permit for a concealed handgun, a pistol caliber carbine could be carried, but still it would not offer the power of a rifle caliber or shotgun.
Keenan is right that shotguns don't have much spread at short ranges. Talk about a devastating wound!!!!
What about for the car? Carbines are harder to conceal, harder to bring into action from behind the steering wheel, and potentially may only be beneficial from longer ranges over a pistol.
Basically, I can't really see much reason a person would want a pistol caliber carbine for defensive type shooting if there is not some major function advantage. One such advantage would be if you had a permit for something like and MP5 in full auto. Then the extra size is made up for by fire power and the extra weight helps with recoil issues that are real in a full auto fire situation.
Otherwise, if you are going to have something carbine-sized, why limit yourself to flacid fire power compared to what you could be shooting with a rifle caliber or shotgun from a comparable-sized weapon?
I would offer one nice exception from my state of Texas. You can openly carry a loaded rifle or shotgun in your vehicle...no permit needed and being loaded is not an issue - legally. So, if you needed to have a gun with you that was loaded but did not have a permit for a concealed handgun, a pistol caliber carbine could be carried, but still it would not offer the power of a rifle caliber or shotgun.
Keenan is right that shotguns don't have much spread at short ranges. Talk about a devastating wound!!!!
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