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9mm MAK?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by RonGoode, Jan 10, 2004.

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  1. RonGoode

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    A 9mm MAK? Is that Makarov? Can I get some pictures and information on this? Thanks.
     
  2. tomkatz

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    9mm mak is 9x18........tom
     
  3. denfoote

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    Tom beat me to it!! :D
     
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    9mm Mak

    Be sure to also check out the experts and data at the Makarov Forum on:

    www.gunboards.com/forums

    No, I don't work for them. The Mak is a great little gun and my CCW piece.
     
  6. N3rday

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    Yeah, like they said, the Makarov is 9x18, where the 9mm you hear about used by police and in rap songs (you know, packin tha ninas) is the 9x19, also called 9mm Luger or 9mm Parabellum
     
  7. alamo

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    Arsenal used to advertise a 9x19 on their website not too long ago. Whether they actually made any, I'm not sure but none apparently made it over here if they did. It would certainly have a tremendous kick, being a blow-back design.

    http://www.arsenal-bg.com/defense_police/pistols9x17_9x18mm.htm?'))window.location=%27http://www.arsenal-bg.com/defense_police/pistols9x17_9x18mm.htm%27
     
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    I never understood why anything in blowback larger than 9X18 is supposed to have a tremendous kick. I'll bet those 9mm revolvers about tear your arm off! :rolleyes: :p

    I always though it was not favored just because it was harder on the firearm, not on the shooter.
     
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    I have shot 9mm and 45 cal Hi Points and they are blow backs,the kick was the same as a Glock 9mm and a 1911 45.

    CWatson
     
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    Thanks. :scrutiny:

    I always thought the Hi-Points were blowbacks....
     
  11. RonGoode

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    What's a blowback?

    Pardon my ignorance but what's a blow back? I probably know what you mean, just not the terminology.
     
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    Wondernine,

    "I never understood why anything blowback larger than 9x18 syppose to have a tremendous kick"


    Your welcome ,in case you did not catch it ,it was a compairison showing I felt no more felt recoil with blowbacks than other conventional types.


    CWatson
     
  13. Rival

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    Blow back is when nothing is used to lock the barrel and the slide together, only the tension of the spring. That means that for stronger rounds a stronger spring is required. If you would design a compact light weight pistol in powerfull caliber using such a design, you would have to use such a strong spring that it would be very hard to cycle the slide manually.

    The advantage of such a design is simplicity. The barrel is fixed, and the main spring goes right over the barrel, there's no need for guide of any sort. Blow back pistols usually have very good looks because of that...
     
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    I believe the other option besides a much stronger spring in a higher-powered round being chambered in a blowback is to have a larger and heavier slide, e.g. the Hi-Point. Either way, practicality regarding either the strength of the spring or the size and weight of the slide are larger factors than increased felt recoil. Something, either a locked breech, a gas-delay, or the spring, or the mass of the slide has to keep the action closed long enough for the pressure to subside. BTW, I have a small 9mm revolver and recoil is not particularly obnoxious, though a bit more than .38 special.
     
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    Or, in the case of the Hi-Points, the weight of the slide, which increases as the caliber goes up...

    Big, heavy slides help control the recoil, too. The .45 version of the Hi-Point looks like a brick with a handle. (Overstatement, to be sure, but not much.)
     
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    Taking a look at that website... the life of the pistols shown (in 9x18 and .380) are... 4000 rounds? What's up with that...? :uhoh:
     
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    Typical blow back handgun disassembeled to show construction.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. Rival

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    Actually there's another way to fire a 9mm Luger round with a blow back design, without increased weight of the slide or strong spring. This is a very interesting solution!

    There is a Makarov that fires 9mm Luger, here is explanation of the design from makarov.com
     
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    Nope!!
    Some did!!
    I give you my Arsenal Pistolet Makarova with Pierce grips!!!
    Actually, it's one of my best Maks!! :D

    [​IMG]
     
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    This is a Parabelllum?
     
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    Parabellum???????

    What??? Huh??? :confused: :confused:
    It's 9X18mm Makarov!!
    Parabellum is 9X19mm!!! :rolleyes:
    No offense, but what are your qualifications to be a moderator??? :D
     
  22. Rival

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    edited out due to my own mistake and misunderstanding...

    I assumed that the gun on the pucture is Makarov chambered in 9mm Luger, but the person who posted the picture said it is the regular 9x18 Mak.
     
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    Denfoote,

    This whole thread is about the Makarov, the difference between 9x18 and x19mm, and whether any actual 9x19 Maks made it to the States. Explanation of the technical differences- a fluted chamber- enabling a 9x19 Mak was given. Alamo posted
    Then, YOU pipe up, and say, "Some did." And post a pic. Since I can't really discern the lettering on the slide- it looks like it might say "9x19"- and since you claimed it was, I wanted to verify what you were posting for our edification.

    Consider me edified.

    John
     
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    denfoote

    i'll take your word for it. how does it shoot? i got out my magnifying glass and it sure looks like 9x19 to me.
     
  25. alamo

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    Kalos,

    I have no idea why Arsenal would put "Life, rounds - 4,000" on their website. Any Mak owner could tell you that is nonsense. Maks are extremely durable. I have found from reading their site that the English translations have some glitches and some improper grammer. Maybe they were referring to something else but I have no idea what.

    Denfoote - your last post was puzzling. Is that Mak a 9x19 or 9x18?

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    Denfoote wrote:

    Parabellum???????
    What??? Huh???
    It's 9X18mm Makarov!!
    Parabellum is 9X19mm!!!
    No offense, but what are your qualifications to be a moderator???

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    You also posted this on the Makarov forum with the same picture:

    "finally got a digital camera and have taken a shot of my Arsenal Makarov. It seems that these are somewhat rare. Could this be true?? It is one of my better ones!! "

    Do you know what you have there? If it's 9x19, I hope you haven't been shooting 9x18 out of it.
     
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