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9mm rifle ammo.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Bfh_auto, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. Bfh_auto

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    I saw this add on gun.deals
    Monarch 9mm Luger 115-Grain Rifle Ammunition - $99.99
    It struck me as funny that Monarch is marketing some of their 9mm ammo as "rifle ammo".
     
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  3. 22250Rem

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    Never saw any 9mm Luger ammo that was called "rifle ammo"....... And bearcreek just answered my question about it. Still sounds funny though. Seeing that I have three 9mm pistols and a Ruger PC Carbine that's also in 9mm.
     
  4. Skeptic13

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    I think this is a typo!
     
  5. ApacheCoTodd

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    Depending upon the style/type of action, you might find 115gr to be problematic.

    Most of our warranty issues even when cautioning buyers to not use it was traced to either 115gr or Wolf ammo.


    Todd.
     
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  6. Jim Watson

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    IMI sold Uzi brand "Carbine" 9mm.

    And if you get into USPSA and IDPA PCC competition, hardly anybody shoots the same load in carbine as pistol.
     
  7. JTHunter

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    It could also be a method to get around certain businesses idiotic plans to no longer sell "handgun" ammo.
     
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  8. jmorris

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    Smart move if you sell your product in places with stupid laws.

    “I need box of .22 long rifle, please.”

    “Is it for a rifle or a pistol?”

    “why?”

    “Because if it’s for a pistol, I can’t sell it too you.”

    “Oh, OK, it’s for a rifle.”

    I have always found it odd that they have age limits on buying firearms or ammunition but none on buying materials and equipment to make them yourself.

    Same goes for alcohol.

    I suppose laws are often written by ignorant people for ignorant people. The smart ones figure out how to follow the letter of law vs. intent.

    Like bumpstocks and braces, then they have to back and add stuff. Same reason some racing sanctions have rule books that are in volumes, for all the different rules and regulations.
     
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  9. lemaymiami

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    Skimmed this thread -then had a question, given the rise in popularity of pistol cartridge carbines... Is there a round in either 9mm or 40 cal that folks prefer for carbine length barrels? Would love to hear what folks that use the carbines are using -particularly for defensive purposes...
     
  10. Walkalong

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    Yea, that is funny, and if it is using a fast powder it won't gain squat from a longer tube. A slow powder, maybe 150 to 200+ FPS from a longer 16"ish tube.
     
  11. 460Shooter

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    Weird. But jmorris makes a good point.
     
  12. Walkalong

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    Indeed, did not think about that, since I don't go through that anymore.
     
  13. Speedo66

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    Some countries made hotter 9mm for their sub guns, that would probably qualify as 9mm "rifle" ammo.
     
  14. buck460XVR

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    Maybe, but completely unnecessary. The law about handgun ammo is an antiquated/feel good rule from back in the day when handguns were much less popular and handgun caliber rifles/carbines in the civilian market were few. strikes me as funny that while one must be 21 to buy a handgun in most areas, it's legal to possess one at 18. So this handgun/rifle ammo thing means you can possess it, just not shoot it? Rules like this need to be changed. Same goes for the asking of the question at the counter. Really? Is someone only 18-20 years old looking to buy ammo going to state something that is unprovable anyway, that would disrupt his purchase of said ammo? Wouldn't adding the word "RIFLE AMMO" to a box of federal .22 ammo, still bring the question up at the counter? With the popularity of rifle caliber handguns nowadays, why don't they ask this question when one buys 30-06 or 45-70 ammo? If you can possess and shoot a handgun legally at the age of 18, why can't you buy ammo for it? Makes as much sense as saying a 18 year old can possess and drink alcohol, but they just can't buy it till they're 21........o_O
     
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  15. total recoil

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    All my 9mm is loaded to 1150 fps and I shoot it in both carbines and all my pistols.
     
  16. jmorris

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    I didn’t say it was effective. A 13 year old can get everything they need to make ammunition, sent to their door. Same thing for components and equipment to make wine, beer or even distilled alcohol.

    Some people maintain the herd mentality where they like to see fences. Not like a single electric wire can contain a horse or cow but they will keep most inside the boundary and that’s all it takes most times. The rest is the “feel good” you are talking about and the reason why people have to take off their shoes to enter an airport, unless they pay another tax to the TSA and avoid the regular lines.
     
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  17. Walkalong

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    A slow powder in 9MM will get you more velocity in a 16" barrel, while a fast one will not.
     

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  18. BlueHeelerFl

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    I currently have my CX4 loaded with Federal 124gr +p+ ammo. I try to practice mainly with standard pressure ammo
     
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    I just bought a case of that same Monarch ammo from Academy.

    I've never experienced issues with 115 gr or steel cased ammo so far
     
  20. Snowdog

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    For all my 9mm handguns, 124gr HST hands down. However some videos I've seen of HST into ballistic gel from a carbine yielded results quite different than those from handguns. The HST, though an excellent JHP, wasn't exactly rated for velocities approaching 1500 FPS. Often a JHP driven faster will offer less penetration as over-expansion and some fragmentation typically occurs. It'll still work but I opted for something bonded.

    I found Remington 124gr Golden Saber Bonded +P will only expand so much even from longer barrels/higher velocities. They're also quite accurate from both my Beretta CX4 Storm and PSA AK-V and not particularly expensive.
     
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  21. lemaymiami

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    Thanks Snow... that's the kind of info I was looking for (and thanks to others that replied...). I'm still holding on to my Plainfield carbine (30 cal commercial version of the War Baby..) but have considered a 9mm or 40 cal carbine to replace it.. I have seen one or two other threads that mentioned 9mm ammo, carefully designed to expand properly out of a pistol - that did't exactly work properly at higher velocities out of a 16" barrel so that's why I posted the question.

    I figure that there are probably a half dozen folks on this site that have already worked out something that I'm just in the research phase on... Can't say enough good things about the folks here.
     
  22. Snowdog

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    It's going to be hard to beat an M1 Carbine, especially with the effective options out there besides JSP. Mine seems to like Hornady FTX Critical Defense but appears to prefer Speer's Gold Dot (and they seem hotter too). Unfortunately, I haven't seen it available lately.

    The CX4 is absolutely a solid choice, but I'm enamored by my AK-V. I haven't put many round through it yet, but it's a sweet shooter. One of the nicest things about this "braced pistol" is the magazines. It uses CZ Skorpion magazines, but Palmetto State Armory also manufactures their own excellent (stellar reviews) 35-round mags with steel feed lips that they sell for $16 or so. They are often on sale for $13.99 (such as right now).

    I put a Holosun HE510C-GR that seems to pair well with it.

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  23. BlueHeelerFl

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    I always mean to try some of those Golden Sabers but can never find them when I'm looking for ammo
     
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  24. Archie

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    And now for something completely different:

    When I saw the thread title, I immediately thought of 9x57mm. Yes, it's a rifle caliber, essentially the 8x57mm (8mm Mauser) necked up to 9mm using appropriately heavier bullets. Essentially a Metric version of a .35 Whelen. I'm pretty sure 9x19mm will not work in it.
     
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    My suspicion is that the old school 147 that barely expanded out of handguns would work very well out of a 16" Barrrel at 200 fps faster. Federal 9BP would basically replicate 9BPLE velocities when fired out of a 16" barrel so might be an option. If I wanted newer ammo I would consider the Federal Tactical Bonded 135+P. I don't know about the testing but its what the local agencies use out of their MP5's.
     
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