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9mm safe to store "tubular fed" ?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by DefiantDad, Jul 3, 2012.

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  1. DefiantDad

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    Will it be safe to store 9mm lengthwise bullet to primer? FMJ mostly.
     
  2. Owen Sparks

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    Stored in what?
     
  3. The Lone Haranguer

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    I don't think a round nose FMJ could set off a primer in a "chain fire," but I'm not willing to be the test case.
     
  4. T Bran

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    I dont think I would be very comfortable storing ball type ammo in this fashion seems like one high primer and an accidental drop might ruin your day.
    Hollow point semiwad cutters would be much more forgiving.
    Take a look at the bullet profiles commonly used in leverguns which are tube fed as a pretty decent guideline.
    Just my thoughts others will surely differ but I tend to err on the side of caution.
    Stay safe and good question.
     
  5. rcmodel

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    I have no idea what this question is even about?

    Storing 9mm in a tube of some sort, for some strange reason??

    Regardless, it won't go off from primer / bullet contact unless you drop it off the roof of your house or something else stranger.

    rc
     
  6. DefiantDad

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    OK thanks; I know it is a weird question. Anyway, conclusion is, it's probably not safe.
     
  7. Owen Sparks

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    It all depends on if the tube is subject to recoil or impact. Is this tube likely to get dropped? Is it mounted on a firearm and subject to recoil? Are you trying to invent some sort of speed reloading device or what?
     
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    Don't be cryptic on your question. Flesh out the details some so that people can accurately answer it.
     
  9. Swing

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    Ah, hmm, still trying to figure this one out. o.0
     
  10. OARNGESI

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    ive bought ammo thats all just jammed into a box (wwb 100 rd packs ) seems about the same risk
     
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    Depending on the length of the tube if you held it vertical and "loaded" it by simply dropping rounds into place the first few would be at some amount of risk as the round dropping down about 6 to 8 inches could potentially hit hard enough to set off the primer.

    In a thread sometime back I posted that I had dropped a live round and it hit a coarse grain of sand or something similar primer first when it landed on the pavement. The primer fired and the case went away while the bullet was left spinning on the ground a few feet from my toes. Other shooters that were there to witness this said it was the first time they had ever seen such a thing. And some of them had more than 20 years at this under their belt.

    A reply to my thread about this described how an empty casing ejected from the poster's handgun struck a primer in the plastic storage box on his bench and the manner in which it hit was enough to set off the primer for that round.

    So it CAN happen depending on the circumstances.
     
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    If you had a tube-fed 9x19mm carbine, there would be little danger of a chain fire cause by recoil.
     
  13. DefiantDad

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    Sorry, wasn't deliberately meaning to be cryptic. I just wanted to store my ammo differently because the boxes take up room. Just brainstorming different ways to store it, if possible.
     
  14. bigfatdave

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    Dump identical ammo loose in an ammo can, with a box flattened to indicate what's in there (or your own note, if you're reloading)

    You might save a bit of room with tubes, but then you'd have to procure the tubes, load the tubes, and store the tubes.
    100 rounds would be something like 9.75 feet long, by my rough math, I don't think tubes will really save room.
     
  15. DefiantDad

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    Actually, you bring up a good point. Does the military keep spare 5.56 loose in ammo cans? And 9mm? (9mm I can see maybe but wouldn't the FMJ 5.56 be risky with the centerfire?). I don't know so I'm asking. Thanks.
     
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    With 9MM and the like IF you were to stack the ammo up to 4 tiers high in an ammo box WITH cardboard dividers between layers I would think that there would be no problem. Many commercial ammo manufacturers (S&B, WWB and the like) send cases of ammo shipped this way with only thin cardboard packing between the ammo with no reported problems. You do see the ammo separated with cardboard between primers and next bullet but if the DOT deems this method to be safe to ship (read drop or get into an automotive accident with) I would think it a pretty safe way to store ammo. Now I store loose 5.56 ammo (as well as other pointed nose rounds) in ammo cans loose in freezer bags. These cans are designed to contain a bunch of bad if the ammo within goes off so I feel no problem there either. Lots of our tax dollars spent making things safe in the military don't ya know.:D I will use the knowledge to my advantage in the civilian world.
     
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    9mm in a tube fed rifle, no problem. My only worry would be eventual bullet setback due to the cartridge having a taper crimp instead of a roll crimp.
     
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    They come in boxes, but if the boxes have been broken, yes, that's common.

    John
     
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    That, I can safely say, would not be a problem. Primers require an impact from an object smaller in cross section than the diameter of the primer, not simple pressure from being stacked together, to set them off.
     
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    This darn thread, now I want a 9mm levergun. Maybe one that could handle everything from 9x23-9x19. Oh a man can dream.
     
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    A thought occurs regarding storage

    ... If you're JUST talking about storage and have some reason to use tubes (cheap/free tubes of some kind, I assume)
    ... ... nose to nose and tail-to tail would be pretty much free of worries, as far as setting off a primer in a drop or while loading.

    Of course, then you're spending all your free time loading them in the tubes, and the tubes still end up being really long to hold any reasonable amount of ammunition ... but the concept could work if they went in correctly.
     
  22. DefiantDad

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    Thanks; that is a good idea. Head/head Tail/Tail. Will keep in mind.
     
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    It takes up about tge same volume no mater how you store it. Sounds like you are trying to set one off?
     
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    Still and all, they will take up way less storage room in Zip-Lock bags with the air squeezed out of them.

    In steel GI ammo cans that are at least designed to contain flying primers and case shrapnel in the event your house catches on fire.

    Tubes end to end is just a bad idea anyway I look at it, from both a Space and Safe point of view.

    Stored end to end, if one goes of, they all go off!

    rc
     
  25. DefiantDad

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    OK, tubes is bad. Agree with the conclusion.
     
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