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9mm VS .45ACP ... against alligators

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Alan Fud, Feb 1, 2003.

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  1. Alan Fud

    Alan Fud Member

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    Those who remember me from the early days of TFL, know that I live in the Florida Everglades and that it is not uncommon for an alligator to wander out of the swamp ever once in a while and start walking around the neighborhood looking for food (small pets and young children).

    I carry a .45 for protection against two legged creatures but given the superior penetration of the 9mm over the .45ACP ...
    ... I wonder if I encountered a gator, would I be better off with 8 rounds of .45ACP from my Para C7.45LDA or with 8 rounds of 9mm from my 3913TSW ...

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  2. Blackhawk

    Blackhawk Member In Memoriam

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    Since you're stuck with the same number of rounds from either gun, I'd go with the .45.
     
  3. ojibweindian

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    I remember this from TFL.

    I'd use .30-06.
     
  4. denfoote

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    Alan,
    Go one silly millimeter larger to somthing say like a GLOCK 29, 10mm!!!! :cool:
     
  5. seeker_two

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    Gator hide can be as tough as a Kevlar vest. I've heard stories of RIFLE bullets bouncing off....

    This might be a good excuse to buy the CZ-52. Small hole, but it WILL make a hole...:what:
     
  6. 10-Ring

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    I'd go w/ a 45 +p+ out of my USP 45 and a couple of mags on my belt just in case.
     
  7. Boats

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    Personally I'd want a really hot .357Mag against a gator. Then again, if you have to draw on a reptile it means the gator has gained the initiative and underpentration is unlikely at contact distance.:evil:

    Use what you can shoot the fastest and then outrun the animal control guy.:what:
     
  8. Island Beretta

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    Great post, Alan:

    I remember you as a proponent of the cocktail magazine and that's how I load my magazine now!!!

    Theoretically, the 9mm would be superior due to its much higher velocity and smaller diameter. This translates to greater penetrative pressure at the point of contact and therefore a greater probability to penetrate. With the 9mm the gator would fell a sharp jab whilst with the .45 the gator would fell a heavier punch due to the momentum and larger diameter.

    Practically, neither the 9mm or .45 stands much of a chance of penetrating a 'gator's back, maybe if you could flip it over to the underbelly you would stand a better chance;)
     
  9. Apple a Day

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    I like seeker_2s idea about the CZ-52. 7.62x25mm for lots of penetration, more ammo than a revolver, inexpensive enough not to regret stuffing down the 'gator's throat or using to jam its jaws open whilst you whistle the theme to Looney Tunes and head for the nearest horizon.
    If you are going to use either a 9mm or .45 then I'd go with the 9mm and ball ammo.
     
  10. Glock_PhD

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    Use what the gator hunters use. A shotgun with a slug or 00 buck.
     
  11. cratz2

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    Hey hey hey HEY!... Scully could handle it. ;)

    I agree with Boats. I'd want a hot 'n heavy 357. And soft flat points, not hollow points.

    Between the wo pistols you mention, I'd probably take my chances with the 9mm. 147 Gr SWC ammo if there is such a thing. The 147 Gr 9mm ammo tends to have about the best penetration of any ammo for 9mm or 45 ACP.
     
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    10MM or 44 mag...........
     
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    I agree with Glock PhD. 18" 12gauge, 00 or slug. Learn to find and climb trees quickly, or invite friends out who run slower than you do.
     
  14. Blackhawk

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    Guys, he's got TWO guns, and wants to know which ONE of his TWO guns he's be better off with should a gator put him on the lunch menu.

    If he's got the opportunity to make a THIRD gun magically appear, make it an M2 .50BMG pedestal mounted on a Jeep. It's effective and provides a means of making fast tracks. In fact, maybe he should just arrange for one to follow closely behind on his walks.... :rolleyes:
     
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    I'd go for the 9mm and use hot 124 FMJ-NATO ammo. Fiocchi is pretty hot and cheap.
     
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    I don't think either round will do more than annoy a gator. They've got tough skin, and are very sturdy critters. I don't think any handgun would be particulary effective on a gator, except possibly a 10mm semi-auto or 44 magnum (or greater) revolver.
     
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    10mm, get a 10mm. :D
    It is a hunting round and ballistically superior to the 9 and 45.
     
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    "9mm VS 45ACP ... against alligators."


    Looks like somebody didn't read the manual. :eek:

    It says right here: "For reptiles with snapping jaws, apply liberal doses of 10mm Auto into the head, throat and other vital areas. Repeat as needed." :D

    :cool:
     
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    For an animal like an alligator remember they are often found in water and this presents another problem. Calibers like the .45acp and even 40 S&W and 10mm are almost useless for this type of shooting.

    The smaller the bullet and the higher the velocity results in way more penetrations especially in water. Many years ago my Uncle used a BroomHandle Mauser in 7.65x25 for shooting sharks and it was one of the few pistol calibers that had enough velocity left to penetrate the water and reach these hideaous. savage beasts when he was shooting into the water. Its small diameter and high velocity did the trick where other calibers failed especially like the .45acp which he tried using. The 9mm worked but not as good as the higher velocity 7.62x25 Mauser caliber.
     
  20. Dave Markowitz

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    Either Peter Hathaway Capstick or Jeff Cooper (I disremember which) wrote about hunting crocodiles in Africa. Not the same as alligators, but similar.

    Anyway, he noted that the only way to get a sure, immediate stop on a croc was with a brain shot, so the favored weapon was a bolt action rifle in .270. The crocs would be shot while sunbathing (the crocs were sunbathing, not the hunter. :D)

    So, if I was going to carry a pistol for alligator defense, I'd go with a high velocity round that gives good penetration, e.g., 9mmP, .357 Mag, or 7.62x25, and shoot for the head.
     
  21. bpisler

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    I would use whichever pistol i was most accurate with,in 9mm i would use a 124gr +P or +P+ fmj.In the 45 iwould try to find some 230gr +P fmj's or order a 400cor-bon barrel.
     
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    There is an interesting book written by 2 fellows that did some professional croc hunting in Africa. I think it is "Eyelids of Dawn" or something similar[I can't find my copy right now]. They cap several hundred croc's with a 22-250 doing brain shots while they are in the water with the croc's!! Very sporting!!

    My vote goes for the 9mm with flat nose FMJ's. Shot placement is everything for these guys.
     
  23. RON in PA

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    Why waste a bullet, call Steve Irwin and he will rastle that critter and get it out of your hair.
     
  24. denfoote

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    Maybe so, but Scully and her cadre of female agents are the reason why it costs me $20 to shoot a box of 10mm!!!! :cuss: :banghead: :fire:
     
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    If you head a human head at a certain angle, a rifle bullet will bounce off of it, too.
     
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