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9x18 vs. 380 recoil

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by rbhoth, Jul 30, 2009.

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  1. rbhoth

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    How does the recoil of the 9x18 compare to the .380? And to the 9mm for that matter.

    Thanks for the input.
     
  2. Shear_stress

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    Welcome to THR!

    9x18 and .380 will be pretty much the same if fired in a pistol of the same weight and action type. Both often seem to recoil more harshly than 9mmP, but only because the latter is usually found in locked-breach pistols.
     
  3. rbhoth

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    The 9mm is more recoil than I like. I was considering a cz 82 in 9x18 or cz 83 or bersa thunder in .380. But I'm looking for LESS recoil than a 9mm. Not more.

    Thanks for the welcome :)
     
  4. Shear_stress

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    Yes, but the point of my post was that the 9x18 and .380 often seem to recoil more than the 9mmP due to the types of pistols chambered in each caliber.

    The CZs are an exception. Though straight blowback, their weight soaks up a good chunk of the recoil.
     
  5. Maj Dad

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    Weight Matters

    I have 9mms that recoil less than my Polish M64 shorty Makarov - it is small, light and the 9mm Mak round recoils smartly. The biggest 9 I own, a Taurus PT-99 is fairly heavy, especially with an 18 rd mag, and the recoil is much less noticeable. It's the old physics principles applied to shooting: it's all relative... :)
     
  6. rbhoth

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    I see, so CZ over Bersa then, for the all steel frame for more weight and less recoil. Is there no difference between then .380 and 9x18 say from the cz 83 and 82? Is this simply an artifact of history that Browning made his 9x17 and the Russians made theirs 9x18?
     
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    I personally believe that a CZ-82 9mm mak has almost no recoil. I practice with it; even one handed. No problem. But if you shoot it and believe that it does recoil more than you like; a simple $8 wolff spring at 16.5 or 18.5 lbs and you won't even know you fired it. And yes, the ALL STEEL, while heavy, is what takes away all the recoil. I can shoot that gun all day. In warmer weather, it has become my #1 CCW
     
  8. Dr_2_B

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    To me, it just depends on the platform. Because the makarov is largely an eastern round, it's mostly fired in eastern guns which tend to be bigger and heavier than they have to be.

    380s on the other hand are a little smaller and lighter than they prolly need to be a lot of the time.
     
  9. North Bender

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    I'll disagree with Christcorp on this, and that speaks to the nature of felt recoil.

    All of the blowback 9x18 pistols have a fairly sharp recoil in my opinion, even with heavier springs. It's the nature of the beast. You can find a smoother shooting .45 caliber - pistols that don't use the blowback system, where the recoil comes back straight into your wrist rather than making that flip; they are easier to shoot.

    That said, 9x18 is my caliber. Everybody has an opinion.
     
  10. christcorp

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    Bender; I've definitely felt the recoil more on the tiny Polish P64. But on the all steel CZ-82, just not there. I'd say that it's about equal to my Sig Sauer P220 45acp, and I find the Sig to be pretty good. Again, I shoot a lot one handed, and it's not that bad. I've also found however that each gun can be different. Even 2 of the same model. Especially if the recoil springs are worn differently.
     
  11. Snowdog

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    My CZ-82 lets you know when you've touched one off, no doubt about it. Recoil with 95gr Wolf Classic or 95gr Barnaul from my CZ-82 (Wolff 16.5 lb spring) from my CZ-82 to me feels about the same as 127gr +P+ Winchester Ranger from my Kahr K9 (with Wolff 22 lb spring). It's a sharper "snappy" type recoil with the CZ-82 whereas the K9 has more of a mellow shove.

    That said, I've never had any issues with the recoil of my CZ-82 even when I was still using the tired issue recoil spring. It's a heck of a pistol for an insanely reasonable price. Why more people haven't jumped on these deals is beyond me (especially during these times when 9x18 is plentiful while there's a run on everything else). I believe this pistol remains a sleeper.
     
  12. grimjaw

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    I currently had a Makarov PM in 9x18 and a Kahr MK9 in 9x19. The Makarov has more disagreeable recoil than the Kahr. It's definitely a question of the operating system.

    Slightly different subject, can anyone list pistols chambered for .380 that aren't blowback operated?

    jm
     
  13. rcmodel

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    Right off the top of my head
    Current Locked-Breach .380's.

    Kel-Tec P3AT
    Ruger LCR
    SIG P238
    Kahr P380

    Discontinued models.
    Colt Pony & other models.
    Remington Model 51
    Savage
    Llama Model 6

    I'm sure there were several others.

    rc
     
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    Are you saying that the locking breach guns will have more felt recoil?
     
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    To me:

    A Bersa .380 with an aluminum frame = very little recoil. Less than a locked-breech 9x19 IMO. I can see this being a good option for someone who is recoil sensitive.

    Makarov 9x18 with steel frame: substantially more recoil than the Bersa .380 and more than a locked-breech 9x19, actually reminds me of the snap of a .40S&W Glock 23
     
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    Even though it weighs twice as much, my blow-back Walther PPK/S kicks / stings my hand worse then my locked breech Kel-Tec P3AT with hot loads.

    rc
     
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    So the locking breach .380 will have LESS felt recoil. :uhoh:
     
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    Still depends on the gun. And many times, even the individual gun itself. My friend had my check out his AMT Backup 380 to do some tests on it. Because it's small, you feel all the recoil right in the palm of your hand. On the other hand; the ALL STEEL CZ-82 in 9mm Makarov wasn't even noticeable if you compared the 2. I don't consider the CZ-82 any more noticeable than my PPK 32acp. Feels about the same.
     
  19. 1KPerDay

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    For ME:

    I'd much rather shoot a full-size or 'compact' 9mm like the Beretta 92, SIG P226, Glock 19 or 26, etc. than a Walther PPK in .380. Blowback-operated guns are not fun to shoot IMO.

    I also feel my ~11 oz. (empty) Ruger LCP has less recoil than the Walther. The LCP is a locked-breech design.
     
  20. rcmodel

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    Yes, always.
    The locked breach spreads the recoil impulse over a longer time span, and also uses up some of the energy.

    rc
     
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    dunno about ALWAYS. a 12-lb .380 blowback might have minimal felt recoil. :D
     
  22. rcmodel

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    Theres always one!! :D

    rc
     
  23. grimjaw

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    Thanks rcmodel, and duh, me. I had a Ruger LCP and should have remembered that one.

    jm
     
  24. Shadow 7D

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    I always felt that recoil depends on the design of the gun, ie. weight, ergonomics, mechanism (locked breach, blow back, bolt, etc.)

    and shooter, grip type and stance.

    Finally the type of rounds your firing, heavy +p = more recoil than light reduced load.
    So from that you can generalize

    little, light, blowback more recoil than large, heavy, locked breach semi in the same caliber with the same ammo.
     
  25. rbhoth

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    I put in an order for a CZ 82. $200 for pistol, 2 mags, holster, and mag pouch. It seems like a quality used gun and fits my hand perfectly. The hand fit was a major factor.

    Thanks for the feedback
     
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