jackdanson
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I carry 35.. not including my car stuff.. rather have too much than too little.
A compeling reason to carry lots of ammo.
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I laughed at the line where someone in this thread said that he or she did not go into a 'bad area' (Night or day?).
BAD things can happen to GOOD people.
BAD people can do bad things or attempt to do bad things to GOOD PEOPLE even in GOOD areas.
Good areas = good neighborhoods, middle and upper middle class places, SAFE (?!?), rural, farm/lake country, and/or small towns not just in SO CALLED safe suburbia. Heck, the WILDERNESS is not so safe anymore because of bad 2 legged criminals not just the 4 legged ones = bears or mountain lions! Hiking areas, you name it!
I think that a person should carry whatever ammunition that makes THEM feel prepared and or secure if they need another back up gun for ANY REASON whatsoever.
Heck! You even have criminals stealing farmers and ranchers fuel and fertilizer to make strong drugs OUT in the middle of nowhere. They have attacked and even killed farmers/ranchers.
Some old farm lady had a garage sale and was going from one rural house to another house. She never made it home... another state... her husband found her KILLED. Some so called SAFE rural-farm state too.
I lived in a very safe farm/lake part of the country... Great Lakes area... my late husband's home state. Two and a half miles from a small town where you would think that you were in Mayberry - the old boob tube show. They had break ins and so forth for awhile. They even had a house deliberately MESSED UP and not just ROBBED! Destroyed and spray painted INSIDE... a new house like ours too. This was from the early 1970's and on. ROBBED barns, equipment and houses out in the country, in another part of my county and an attempted break in to our house in broad daylight while we were at work in the 'city'. My female German Shepherd nailed the perp (Bloody tracks and trail, he fled out of our breezeway between our house and our garage - BOTH locked.) and later on he was caught trying to do the same thing in another part of the county. He got put away (JAIL.) and stuff from my breezeway plus his nasty BITE marks from MY GS dog was proof among other evidence!
That same year when my late husband was overseas... I had two men pull in my driveway at 1:15AM and turn off their lights right close up to my garage. NO one got in the house or garage. My GS dog alerted me, I was awake listening to the radio and in the den - first floor, I slept in the den when he was gone NOT on the second floor, I dialed the Operator (NO 911 back then.) and she connected me to the Sheriff's HQ, they both stayed ON the line with ME, I had my late husband's big old 357Magnum that I knew how to USE and would use, it was just me and my dog - we never had children, I was scared at first then plain angry... then calm. My dog was going NUTS barking/running to the door, I told the DESK man who I was and he knew of our name because some of the deputies/detectives went to school with my late husband, I told him that if one or two men tried to come through my door or cross my threshold to hurt my dog or ME... I would shoot in fear of my life. My teeth were literally chattering as if I was cold even though I went into a calm state. I was shaking some too... I got calm though... go figure! I got ANGRY - ticked off lady with big gun. Look out! After all, I had those no trespassing-private property signs which were IGNORED and these people did NOT just TURN around in my driveway which was on a very rural road OFF of another country road which was OFF of MORE country roads! I knew there were 2 men because I peeked out of the side west den window and there was a colonial lamp post by the brick, plus flood lights - later on we put on automatic ones too. Country living is pitch dark you know! I had big lights on each side of the front door by the sidelights on each side of the front door. I had light switches that I could even turn on and off from the SECOND FLOOR not just the first floor and other safety measures when we custom built our house by ourselves almost all of the work done by us except for the frame, laying the brick, etc.
NO one came into my house or garage. There were TIRE tracks and foot prints... wet ground. The deputy LOOKED all around outside and stayed some with me inside too. I knew him. Thank you C.F.! He became a detective later on. The dog's barking and lights may have scared them OFF but WHY did they come into the driveway ALL of the way UP to my garage door, front sidewalk to my front door, my breezeway, no outside door to my full basement, turn OFF THEIR headlights and so forth? I will NEVER know that answer but I think that they may have wanted to break in or worse! The lights, the dog's barking and maybe knowing that I was UP - lights in the den on... may have made them chicken out. Many people knew that my late husband was overseas... local people. They knew we had no children - it was his home town - country.
The deputy came and as in the other case-C. - it was one that WE knew from the Volunteer FD/EMT unit that my late husband was on and he went to HS and college with some of those GUYS! We were friends!
So... bad things can happen to good people in GOOD so called safe areas!
By the way, we have EXTRA ammo on us when we are out and about and especially when we pack for a vacation... WILDERNESS and in other parts of the country.
Their have been hikers and campers KILLED along with their dogs in SAFE (?!?) wilderness areas. Think of the man who kidnapped those kids and killed several people including burning up the one male child OUT in the ID/MT area not that many years ago! A waitress made a a call to the local police because the little girl that the KILLER kidnapped looked like a POSTER. The waitress was RIGHT and the girl was saved. The brother and other family members/friends were KILLED. Nice safe area... uh huh... yeah, sure and right. NOT!!!
Take care. People can choose what to pack or not... as my late husband used to say: S___ happens in war and S__ happens in LIFE... DEAL with it!
My groom aka husband opens and conceals carries. In my former state - CCW was NOT allowed. It passed but it is not that great (Rules/regs.) AFTER I moved/retired out west.
STUFF happens anywhere and anytime to good people by BAD people. Should have, could have, would have... I would rather have it and NOT need it than not have it at all. NO matter if it was a firearm, ammo or any other supply!
To the lady here whose son was attacked, I am glad that he LIVED through it all. God bless you and yours.
Sincerely,
Catherine
BAD things can happen to GOOD people.
BAD people can do bad things or attempt to do bad things to GOOD PEOPLE even in GOOD areas.
Good areas = good neighborhoods, middle and upper middle class places, SAFE (?!?), rural, farm/lake country, and/or small towns not just in SO CALLED safe suburbia. Heck, the WILDERNESS is not so safe anymore because of bad 2 legged criminals not just the 4 legged ones = bears or mountain lions! Hiking areas, you name it!
I think that a person should carry whatever ammunition that makes THEM feel prepared and or secure if they need another back up gun for ANY REASON whatsoever.
Heck! You even have criminals stealing farmers and ranchers fuel and fertilizer to make strong drugs OUT in the middle of nowhere. They have attacked and even killed farmers/ranchers.
Some old farm lady had a garage sale and was going from one rural house to another house. She never made it home... another state... her husband found her KILLED. Some so called SAFE rural-farm state too.
I lived in a very safe farm/lake part of the country... Great Lakes area... my late husband's home state. Two and a half miles from a small town where you would think that you were in Mayberry - the old boob tube show. They had break ins and so forth for awhile. They even had a house deliberately MESSED UP and not just ROBBED! Destroyed and spray painted INSIDE... a new house like ours too. This was from the early 1970's and on. ROBBED barns, equipment and houses out in the country, in another part of my county and an attempted break in to our house in broad daylight while we were at work in the 'city'. My female German Shepherd nailed the perp (Bloody tracks and trail, he fled out of our breezeway between our house and our garage - BOTH locked.) and later on he was caught trying to do the same thing in another part of the county. He got put away (JAIL.) and stuff from my breezeway plus his nasty BITE marks from MY GS dog was proof among other evidence!
That same year when my late husband was overseas... I had two men pull in my driveway at 1:15AM and turn off their lights right close up to my garage. NO one got in the house or garage. My GS dog alerted me, I was awake listening to the radio and in the den - first floor, I slept in the den when he was gone NOT on the second floor, I dialed the Operator (NO 911 back then.) and she connected me to the Sheriff's HQ, they both stayed ON the line with ME, I had my late husband's big old 357Magnum that I knew how to USE and would use, it was just me and my dog - we never had children, I was scared at first then plain angry... then calm. My dog was going NUTS barking/running to the door, I told the DESK man who I was and he knew of our name because some of the deputies/detectives went to school with my late husband, I told him that if one or two men tried to come through my door or cross my threshold to hurt my dog or ME... I would shoot in fear of my life. My teeth were literally chattering as if I was cold even though I went into a calm state. I was shaking some too... I got calm though... go figure! I got ANGRY - ticked off lady with big gun. Look out! After all, I had those no trespassing-private property signs which were IGNORED and these people did NOT just TURN around in my driveway which was on a very rural road OFF of another country road which was OFF of MORE country roads! I knew there were 2 men because I peeked out of the side west den window and there was a colonial lamp post by the brick, plus flood lights - later on we put on automatic ones too. Country living is pitch dark you know! I had big lights on each side of the front door by the sidelights on each side of the front door. I had light switches that I could even turn on and off from the SECOND FLOOR not just the first floor and other safety measures when we custom built our house by ourselves almost all of the work done by us except for the frame, laying the brick, etc.
NO one came into my house or garage. There were TIRE tracks and foot prints... wet ground. The deputy LOOKED all around outside and stayed some with me inside too. I knew him. Thank you C.F.! He became a detective later on. The dog's barking and lights may have scared them OFF but WHY did they come into the driveway ALL of the way UP to my garage door, front sidewalk to my front door, my breezeway, no outside door to my full basement, turn OFF THEIR headlights and so forth? I will NEVER know that answer but I think that they may have wanted to break in or worse! The lights, the dog's barking and maybe knowing that I was UP - lights in the den on... may have made them chicken out. Many people knew that my late husband was overseas... local people. They knew we had no children - it was his home town - country.
The deputy came and as in the other case-C. - it was one that WE knew from the Volunteer FD/EMT unit that my late husband was on and he went to HS and college with some of those GUYS! We were friends!
So... bad things can happen to good people in GOOD so called safe areas!
By the way, we have EXTRA ammo on us when we are out and about and especially when we pack for a vacation... WILDERNESS and in other parts of the country.
Their have been hikers and campers KILLED along with their dogs in SAFE (?!?) wilderness areas. Think of the man who kidnapped those kids and killed several people including burning up the one male child OUT in the ID/MT area not that many years ago! A waitress made a a call to the local police because the little girl that the KILLER kidnapped looked like a POSTER. The waitress was RIGHT and the girl was saved. The brother and other family members/friends were KILLED. Nice safe area... uh huh... yeah, sure and right. NOT!!!
Take care. People can choose what to pack or not... as my late husband used to say: S___ happens in war and S__ happens in LIFE... DEAL with it!
My groom aka husband opens and conceals carries. In my former state - CCW was NOT allowed. It passed but it is not that great (Rules/regs.) AFTER I moved/retired out west.
STUFF happens anywhere and anytime to good people by BAD people. Should have, could have, would have... I would rather have it and NOT need it than not have it at all. NO matter if it was a firearm, ammo or any other supply!
To the lady here whose son was attacked, I am glad that he LIVED through it all. God bless you and yours.
Sincerely,
Catherine
I would have to look these stats up but I believe OOOXOOO has them wrong.
The group with the highest mortality was those who resisted with something other than a firearm. The group with the lowest mortality was those who resisted with a firearm.
i think that this all comes down to mostly common sense.. regardless of how you feel about what you carry for what situations that you *think* that you would encounter..
the reality is, in the OP's link, is that the person that was killed by the gang mob was defending his "malehood honor".. he punched one of the gang members in the mouth.. then the gang, retaliated..
using common sense, you would not walk into a gang area and punch one out because they said something that you didn't like..
regardless of how armed/prepared you are..
this is more conjecture of the differences between what each of us feels comfortable in actually carrying..
and with that, there really is no "wrong" or "right".. if you feel that you have to carry 100 rounds of .45 and have two hicap 1911s on you, that's fine..
if you feel comfortable carrying a .22LR revolver with 5 shots, that's fine too..
the main thing is to use your brain to NOT get into harmful situations.. be aware of your surroundings, and understand yourself..
it's pretty simple.. don't go looking for trouble, and make sure that trouble doesn't find you..
the reality is, in the OP's link, is that the person that was killed by the gang mob was defending his "malehood honor".. he punched one of the gang members in the mouth.. then the gang, retaliated..
using common sense, you would not walk into a gang area and punch one out because they said something that you didn't like..
regardless of how armed/prepared you are..
this is more conjecture of the differences between what each of us feels comfortable in actually carrying..
and with that, there really is no "wrong" or "right".. if you feel that you have to carry 100 rounds of .45 and have two hicap 1911s on you, that's fine..
if you feel comfortable carrying a .22LR revolver with 5 shots, that's fine too..
the main thing is to use your brain to NOT get into harmful situations.. be aware of your surroundings, and understand yourself..
it's pretty simple.. don't go looking for trouble, and make sure that trouble doesn't find you..
So you think it's only like that "in big cities or up north"?!
Welcome to West Palm Beach!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEpfVq7bORU
Say what?!
It can't be!The holier than thou "Five is all you'll ever need" crowd has repeatedly assured us that we will NEVER need more than five rounds, and in the rare event we did, that it would be best just to run!
That way the perps can shoot us in the back!
Run out of ammo after five rounds, then run and get shot in the back! An absolutely BRILLIANT tactical stratagem!
Gee, running out of ammo and getting shot in the back SURE beats the "paranoid" solution of carrying an extra magazine or two! NOT!
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The problem I see is when you get trapped in a dead end alley (or something similiar) with 5 rounds. You dont have the option to run. I want to survive not fire my 5 and then just let them come get me. Chances of getting in a drawn out gun fight is about the same as winning the lottery but knowing my luck I will never win the lottery and will be the one needing 40 rounds in a gunfight when I have 39.
I've always wondered about that attitude. I shoot a Glock 26 and Kahr PM9 far better than a J-frame, and given my body type, I can conceal either as well as a J-frame Should I handicap myself by loading only five rounds in either one? If I load to capacity, does that make me paranoid?
I shoot a Glock 19 far better than any of the aforementioned weapons. I also know how to conceal it quite well. Should I reduce capacity by a third so as to get the "shootability" of the 19, but without the accusations of paranoia?
Or should I just ignore the declarations based on a flawed understanding of statistics and focus on what's best for me?
Gee, that's not a hard decision after all.
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I dunno; I used to not feel safe without an extra mag when carrying a 1911, but now I do feel fine with just one mag. 'Course, I don't live in Cleveland.
With a 2-stack 9mm, I feel more than fine with one mag of 13.
With a 2-stack 9mm, I feel more than fine with one mag of 13.
packnrat
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i carry three 10 stack mags, one in the gun, and two on the belt. but there are more close by.
would you buy just enought fuel to get to grandmas house?
or would you buy enougth fuel to also get back to your house??
but then again at the price of fuel these days.........
would you buy just enought fuel to get to grandmas house?
or would you buy enougth fuel to also get back to your house??
but then again at the price of fuel these days.........
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Interesting thread.
I like revolvers, but I know that I'd be at a disadvantage if I were attacked by two or more assailants.
However, I remember reading quite a few news stories in which an multiple thugs flee the scene when an armed citizen kills just one of the attackers. Not even criminals want to be in a gunfight.
I like revolvers, but I know that I'd be at a disadvantage if I were attacked by two or more assailants.
However, I remember reading quite a few news stories in which an multiple thugs flee the scene when an armed citizen kills just one of the attackers. Not even criminals want to be in a gunfight.
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Do you wish to bet your life or the lives of those you love on that, though? I have saved on my computer the story of the gun battle and legal battle of a guy who was assaulted by four thugs, only one of whom was observed to be armed. Our hero drew his trusty 1911 and Mozambiqued the armed thug, and his partner, instead of beating feet as so many insist thugs will do, bent over to retrieve the firearm from his obviously dead comrades' hands before receiving similar treatment himself. Only after two of their friends had fallen with their brains lying on the sidewalk did the other two decide to remove themselves from the fight.
That's a powerful lesson to me.
mnw42
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If you are carrying an auto-loader I would strongly recommend you carry at least one extra magazine. I'm sure that it had been posted before: One of the best ways to clear a jam is to do a reload as they (generally) have similar motions.
I'm Thinking...
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"No one will be able to be armed, we will take all of the weapons."
So... LIE.
When "authorities" (for instance, in a New Orleans-type situation) ask if "Do you have any weapons?", simply tell them "No, officer. I am afraid of those (guns) things".
Honesty, it seems was not the best policy, when those supposedly "operating under color of authority" are asking questions (and have no idea if you're actually carrying weapons or not).
So... LIE.
When "authorities" (for instance, in a New Orleans-type situation) ask if "Do you have any weapons?", simply tell them "No, officer. I am afraid of those (guns) things".
Honesty, it seems was not the best policy, when those supposedly "operating under color of authority" are asking questions (and have no idea if you're actually carrying weapons or not).
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vanilla_gorilla said:
Sure! Why the hell not?
vanilla_gorilla said:
That story sounds pretty hinky to me. Are you sure your hero wasn't the "thug" himself? Maybe the reason he's facing a "legal battle" is because he tried to rob four guys and one of them drew his own piece.
Besides, I don't get your point about "betting your life." If this dude was carrying a 1911, he had, what, seven shots instead of six?
Big deal.
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Yeah, he could be the bad guy. Except for that whole witnesses and "not guilty" thing. Sure.
A simple third grade reading comprehension course would have showed you that I was referring to the idea that "shoot one and all the others will run" is not something that is set in stone. Making such an assumption could get you killed. Perhaps I overestimated you reading ability.
Edit: But then again, it probably doesn't matter to you. Are ya'll even still allowed to have guns in IL?
Confederate
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I can't believe you guys. Haven't you heard, "Give peace a chance?" By displaying a weapon, you're only reinforcing the negative image among criminals that you want to hurt them. I believe if you would try befriending them for a change, they might change their perceptions and by doing so, their behavior.
Remember, in many ways they're victims as much as those whose heads they pulverize with trucheons. So try smiling at them and strike up a conversation. You could find you had more in common than you thought.
But if that doesn't work, I like the 20-round 9mm magazines.
Remember, in many ways they're victims as much as those whose heads they pulverize with trucheons. So try smiling at them and strike up a conversation. You could find you had more in common than you thought.
But if that doesn't work, I like the 20-round 9mm magazines.
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Vanilla_Gorilla said:
What are you talking about? Is this some story you made up? I kind of like it. You're a good writer.
Vanilla_Gorilla said:
How many people have DIED because they refused to follow the excellent advice selflessly offered by our hero Vanilla Gorilla? It stops today! I will not be the next one to fall!
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Maybe all the ones who would have needed it died because they didn't have it.
Never turn your back on your opponent. Out of 15, one will probably run faster then you.
What if they have guns too?
Defensory, haven't you ever heard the phrase "The further south in Florida you go, the further north you are ?"
Anything south of Cross City is north as far as I'm concerned. South Florida has nothing to do with the real south.
Now some of you guys have got real problems where you live. No doubt about that. I would probably carry several reloads if I were in your situation too. BUT, that doesn't mean that 5 rounds isn't plenty in some parts of the country. Heck, carry a belt-feed for all I care. I'll carry my 642 and be comfortable.
Anything south of Cross City is north as far as I'm concerned. South Florida has nothing to do with the real south.
Now some of you guys have got real problems where you live. No doubt about that. I would probably carry several reloads if I were in your situation too. BUT, that doesn't mean that 5 rounds isn't plenty in some parts of the country. Heck, carry a belt-feed for all I care. I'll carry my 642 and be comfortable.
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That's erroneous. Read the full definition of Florida at the link. It's funny because it's true...
"Florida is a geographic anomaly in that the farther north you travel, the more Southern it seems (and sounds like), and the farther south you go, the more it seems like Cuba (as evidenced by the Little Havana area of Miami)."
http://florida.urbanup.com/794631
Tuxedo, that definition must have been written a while ago. Just try to get into a major university like FSU now without impressive credentials. It won't happen. I know, I've got one there now that's a senior and another one going in the fall. Budget cuts have really changed things. And you better have some spare cash if you are going there.
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