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A disabled person less than a mile from my home...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by SomeKid, Apr 28, 2006.

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  1. SomeKid

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    A cripple less than a mile from my home...

    Gave some dirt bag what he deserved!

    http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_84691.asp

    Disabled Red Bank Man Gets Off 4 Shots At Home Invader
    McCabe Had Been On Bond For Aggravated Robbery
    posted April 27, 2006

    A disabled Red Bank man foiled a home invasion early Thursday morning by getting off four shots at a man busting in his bedroom window.

    Red Bank Police Lt. Jim Kyle said the incident happened at 1:30 a.m. at 203 Euclid Ave.

    He said David McCutcheon was asleep in his bed when he heard his bedroom window breaking, then saw a masked man coming through the window.

    Mr. McCutcheon reached for a .32-caliber revolver and began firing, causing the masked man to make a hasty retreat.

    Lt. Kyle said Daniel "Spike" McCabe, 28, was found to have a gunshot wound later in the day in Soddy-Daisy when he was examined for a drug overdose.



    He said McCabe, who is originally from Red Bank but now lives in Soddy-Daisy, has been charged in the Red Bank home invasion.

    Lt. Kyle said one shot hit McCabe in the arm, two shots hit a bedroom wall and the fourth shot went through the window.

    Officers went before General Sessions Court Judge Bob Moon after Red Bank Judge Gary Disheroon was not available. Judge Moon set a $500,000 bond for McCabe since he was on bond for aggravated robbery and aggravated assault.
     
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  2. omnivore75

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    Wow. I pass through Red Bank all the time and my uncle lives there. I live in Oneida so I pass right through it on US 27 every time I head south to Chattanooga. Good for your neighbor. My father is handicapped from the age of four and shortly after I moved in with him, along with my gun and knife collection of course, we were finishing dinner one night and I heard BOOM! and I knew right away that someone was trying to kick the door in but it took a split second to register that it was really happening ya know and then BOOM and the door actually started to give way and right then dad said get a gun someones breaking in here!! and I was already doing just that so I grabbed my Winchester Defender and racked a 12 ga 00 shell into the chamber, and the next sound I heard was , he, she, it, them, burning rubber off my front porch and through the woods!!. I jerked the door open at that point and let fly with a couple of rounds into the ground in front of me just so they would hear and know just how close they came. They were running like their hair was on fire and their asses were catching! I say we because it sounded like at least two for sure. Then I ran back in and we went to call the cops and they had cut the phone line. They thought it was just my handicapped father here alone and those big brave bad asses were going to come in and slap him around and steal everything or god knows what else. Now I keep my new Winchester Defender I got later loaded with one less than lethal round in the chamber and seven 00 in the tube so if god forbid it ever happened again I will let them come on through and light their tails up with it and if that does not turn them around I will have a round of 00 in the chamber in the blink of an eye and it darn sure will. And thats to say nothing of my new custom AR right beside it and my new never even fired (I gotta get some time and give the think a break in session big time before I can trust it really) Glock 22 with m3 and lasermaxx laser that never strays more than a few feetg from my right hand. I don't have any kids to worry about storage safety issues so much and as far as I am concerned having a self defence weapon locked up in a closet or safe is not having a gun at all. Quick access for me baby!! Thats been about 10 years ago and the closest we have had to that since was one year someone broke the door in while we were out of town and robbed us good but thats been like seven years ago and no trouble since, and we have the house very secure now with dead bolts on all doors and windows all blocked where you can't get in without smashing a window totally out or smashing the door clean off it's hinges so I don't worry.
     
  3. LeonCarr

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    Why do you have a less than lethal round in there?

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
  4. EZ CZ75

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    Maybe it is to inflict as mcuh pain as possible before actually killing the perp. As a wrestler I always enjoyed inflicting pain, especially since I had my fair share inflicted upon me.

    Just a thought.
     
  5. Jamie C.

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    This is not a good idea for two reasons:

    1. It might be "less than lethal" for whoever you have to shoot with it, but it could get YOU killed.

    2. Even with a L.T.L. round, using a firearm is still viewed as using lethal force, by the law and the courts. Meaning that if you are justified in firing at all, you're justified in killing whatever/whoever you're shooting at.

    I'd not want to be the person that ended up in court that had used anything but "normal" ammunition in a firearm. Too easy for some slick-assed attorney to claim you really didn't feel your life was in danger, and therefore had no reason/right to fire.

    Stuff anther round of 00, a slug, or even some no. 5 or 6 birdshot in that scattergun... and when you pull the trigger, MEAN IT.


    J.C.
     
  6. Jamie C.

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    *Double-tap*

    Stupid lagging servers..... Grrrrr...

    J.C.
     
  7. JoeHatley

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    Do you have any idea how incredibly offensive that term can be to a disabled person?!?

    Joe (T-4 para)
     
  8. foghornl

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    "Less-Than-Lethal" and 'Novelty' rounds, such as Bird Bombs, Screamers, Dragons Breath, et al are exactly that...Novelties.

    Not that those rounds don't have certain uses, but in a very limited scope, and NOT IN MY FIREARMS. Having seen too many Bad Guys shake off what should have been fight-ending hits, I'm not willing to bet my life and limbs on Novelty Ammo. (Amazing what meth or PCP does to humans...Can you say "Superman Complex"? ? ?

    If things have reached the point of having to present a weapon, then it is GO! time.

    BTW, my warning shot consists of the "Snick!" of the fire control group being set to 'Operate'.
     
  9. Malice

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    I don't think he meant anything by it.

    I work with 4 guys in the summer. Three are seriously mexican and one is seriously Louisianna redneck.

    He referes to what is known as "Hispanic" people as "Spainish." While that is not the PC term, everyone knows that he means nothing by it and thats just the only word he knows to use.

    Anyway, I really like hearing stories like this. The very worst, other than children, is the stories when an elderly or disabled person is duct taped to their wheelchair, robbed blind, and left for dead. Sometimes beaten, or sometimes with tape or something over their mouth and nose.

    It makes me feel so bad. Folks who have limited mobility are really easy pickings. They need to learn to be armed, it is twice as important for them as it is for a person who can sprint 100 yards on a moments notice, or swing a baseball bat.
     
  10. Correia

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    EZ CZ75, I'm telling you this as a CCW instructor. Don't ever, ever, ever, ever, for the love of John Moses Browning tell anybody that you wanted to inflict pain on the badguy.

    That will come back to haunt you if you do have to shoot somebody.

    On the less than lethal shotgun round, agree with what was posted above. When cops use beanbags on somebody, it is usually in a very specific situation, and they usually have another cop with a real gun handy.
     
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  12. Otherguy Overby

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    I usta know a couple of quads, one was on a respirator and couldn't breath on his own and a para. They called each other gimps. I didn't use the term. My experience with their argot was "gimp" was pretty much reserved for people with spinal cord injuries. I don't know what they called wheelchair people who had disabilities from other causes.
     
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  13. dasmi

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    Excellent work!
     
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    What MICHAEL T ...

    said in spades......................If you are offended by a word I used, get over it, life goes on..........chris3
     
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    Thanks Joe,

    But seriously it is OK for most of us with handycaps for one to make such a reference. We're not all that sensitive for the most part.

    There's always different ways of saying the same thing that can express a word in a manner that is derogatory , but that's not the case here - there is no problem here - at least not for me. :D
     
  16. Chipperman

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    Nice work, Mr. McCutcheon. Would have been better if it were a higher caliber, but it may be the most powerful round he can reliably use with his condition.
     
  17. beaucoup ammo

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    "Cripple"

    Words and terms that are considered appropriate and acceptable change over time. Once, the word "cripple" was in common and respectable use. Today it's use to describe a person with a disability is considered offensive and
    unacceptable.

    How do we know the words we use now will be acceptable in the future when
    the language has evolved further?

    Take Care
     
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    "Nice work, Mr. McCutcheon. Would have been better if it were a higher caliber, but it may be the most powerful round he can reliably use with his condition."


    The most important thing is ACCURACY. A .32 in the right place wold have done just fine.

    I know of a recent shooting in Los Angeles in which a police officer took THREE hits from a bad guy who used a .45ACP. Not one was a "killing" shot. After the hits, the police officer still was able to fire ONE round into center-of-mass and killed the bad guy. The p.o. was using a 9mm.

    Accuracy above all, boys & girls. :)

    L.W.
     
  19. Standing Wolf

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    Whoever let him out on bond should be jailed, too. If judges had to face the consequences of their decisions, we'd revert to old-fashioned American law P.D.Q.
     
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    Hey, I am "a cripple" (both hips replaced, artheritic, fused back, and I'm just 31 years old now) and I'm not offended by the term. That's just me. Some of us are disabled worse than others and some of us deal with it ("cowboy up", in my case) better than others. No use cryin' over it.

    That's why I sleep with a 1911. I recall somebody's girlfriend asked what they were scared of- I really liked the guy's answer... "nothing; this is a .45."
     
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    SomeKid and omnivore75:

    Sorry to temporarily derail the thread, but I wanted to say HI to the Tennesseans. I was born in Oak Ridge and stayed there until '05 when my job dragged me down to Georgia. I hope to return to TN soon.

    I know these areas mentioned in the news articles. I used to spend a lot of time up at BSFNRRA. I would rather go up there than visit the Smokies. I have stayed at Pickett St Park about 50 times.

    Take care up there, and take care of "up there."

    GO VOLS.

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    Seemed like the .32 worked.The bad guy left.I sleep next to a .45 and have more faith in that,and nowadays i could imagin that you would just get sued if you shot somebody and they didnt die..I hope i never have to go through that but am ready if the time comes.
     
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    Sorry it took me so long to reply, been busy. A.) Thats why I don't use "novelty rounds" I use the top of the line LTL loads that are used by cops every day and I agree with the fact that cops use them is certain situations and always have backup but civilians have not always got that luxury and just as much responsibility. I mean if I see a guy breaking in and he is heavily armed I would of course say screw the LTL round and jack a 00 in the chamber and give him a lead shower, but what if he has a stick or club or tire iron. Do I really want to just blow him away just like that or would it be nice to be able to hit him with a LTL and then if that does not do it have some 00 do nail him with repeatedly if thats what it takes to protect me and my family. Thats why my 00 load is always Winchester Ranger low recoil 00, because of low flash and recoil indoors allowing better handling ang better follow up shots. Also I use the LTL round in my shotgun only, my other rounds in all my weapons are quite lethal I assure you. The fact of the matter is that the courts in most all states recognise the use of LTL rounds as the first round as a legitimate effort to defend yourself without having to resort to deadly force, at least thats the way it is supposed to be and it sure makes a lot of sense. I don't think the makers could print that the use of LTL as the first round was recognized by US courts as a legitimate attempt to end hostilities without having to go to deadly force if it was'nt but I but I am far from an expert and never claimed to be. Maybe it does make it slightly more dangerous for me personally, but I believe it is very little if any as I can fire the LTL round and have a round of 00 in the chamber in a split second as the LTL has no recoil hardly at all and my father is right there with his Taurus M627 stainless snub nose DAO hammerless 7 shot .357 and two 7 shot HKS speedloaders loaded with .38 spl +p JHP to back me up. He may be handicapped but his eyes and his trigger finger still work just fine. Clearly I do not intend to just blast anyone at random with any LTL round be it a 12 ga round or the ones I have put up for my .357/.38's and .40's unless I have good reason, and if you are stomping my door off the hinges at 3 am I assume you are not there with a get well card and candy. The simple fact is it reduces my liability. B.) I agree that cripple is not a very good term at all so thats why I say handicapped. My father is on crutches or a wheelchair ALL his life since the age of four and he is almost 52 now so I know what the handicapped go through. I myself broke my back in an ATV accident at the age of 16 and it has only gotten worse in all the years since 1992 so I am not in great shape myself, but I don't think he meant it bad. People should just think before they say something sometimes but accidents happen.
     
  24. Jamie C.

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    Where, exactly, are you getting this information? The manufacturer's packaging?

    Certainly not from any court I've ever been in...

    Granted, things might have changed a bit, since I was a L.E.O., but given what I've seen and read concerning quite a few shootings, I don't think so.

    The courts MAY consider a cop using LTL ammo, as part of department policy, to be a non-lethal attempt to end hostile actions, depending on circumstances, but I've seen no evidence that they're inclined to think that way toward a civilian with any sort of firearm.

    As I've already stated, if you're justified in shooting, you're justified in killing.

    Using "Less than Lethal" munitions only "muddies the waters" concerning whether or not you truly felt you were justified in firing, should something go wrong and you find yourself in court.

    At very minimum, it could set you up for a civil suit, if not a criminal one.

    But... it's your neck. Load your gun with whatever you like.

    Just be sure and let us know how it all turns out, if you ever have to shoot anybody with a LTL round. ;)


    J.C.
     
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    "Less Than Lethal". Interesting term. Perhaps misleading. Definitely does not mean "No possibility of being lethal".

    "Well, Your Honor, when I shot this guy I wasn't in fear of my life so I shot him with a Less Than Lethal round, see? Unfortunately, I accidentally hit him in the throat, crushed his trachea and he suffocated to death, see? Yessir, I shot him on purpose when I didn't think he was much of a threat to me. Yessir, he did die from that shot. Do I know the definition of murder? Uhhh."
     
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