A felon tries to buy your gun

A felon tries to buy your gun...

  • You call the authorities

  • You don’t do anything


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Wisco

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Let’s say you have a gun listed online. You get an inquiry so rude that you decide to check the name on the email header against social media just to see who the guy is who has the stones to lowball you, insult you AND threaten you - all in the same initial email. Something triggers an internal alarm to check online court records. Name and email matches social media which has his birth date, and court records show the name with the birth date as a person convicted of drug felonies and numerous drug and assault/battery misdemeanors from 1990 to 2015.

What do you do with your quick and easy 10-15 minutes of research that’s probably accurate given the uncommon name and local population?
 
Does this guy know who you are based on your email interactions? If there is no chance that he can look you up via county/city tax searches, Facebook, etc then i would immediately call the sheriff or local PD and provide proof of the emails. I would tread lightly though if he can find you. I would also report him to gunbroker or whatever site and have him banned.
 
Present him with the info and tell him your decision. Even if it isn't him, is it worth the risk that it is and now you've sold a felon a firearm?
 
I’d alert the authorities. . . and let them follow. . .

Bingo.

Present him with the info and tell him your decision.

Why on earth would you contact the suspected perp? If the you (the seller) haven't replied the subject has only very limited info; replying potentially gives the subject more information about you. I see no upside there.
 
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Maybe I'm too polite, but if someone contacts me regarding something I'm trying to sell, I'll at least reply and tell them no before taking other steps.
 
If he is really a bad actor, it might be wise not to antagonize him. Just politely decline the sale, making some excuse that the gun has already been sold, etc. Hope that he doesn't carry a grudge to look up your location.

Situations like this are exactly the downside of personal sales.
 
No longer available is the response I use. It’s not lying since I didn’t say I had sold it already, because maybe I decided to keep it, or maybe it’s spoken for but not yet bought. It can always become available again.

And yes, notify authorities. They aren’t going to do anything with the info most likely, but you did your part so no matter how it shakes out it gets documented that you refused the sale and didn’t let the felon quietly slip away to find another gun for whatever he had planned to do with it.
 
This type of scenario is why citizens need the option to be able to use the NICS background check system. Most people do not want to sell to felons but unless you want the hassle and expense of going through an FFL you are left to play investigator.
 
Present him with the info and tell him your decision. Even if it isn't him, is it worth the risk that it is and now you've sold a felon a firearm?
Nope. I see no reason to inform a felon that I know he/she is a felon.

I’d alert the authorities. I’d give them in the info I have and let them follow up
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More than likely the guy is on parole or probation. Alert the local parole and probation offices and they will be more than happy to jam him up.

Not when I was Parole Officer. But I had a large caseload and did not have time to investigate and try to prove intent. Even then there was no assurance the Parole Board would agree with me. You may not be aware of how crowded most prisons are and how long the waiting list is to get inside.
 
Let’s say you have a gun listed online. You get an inquiry so rude that you decide to check the name on the email header against social media just to see who the guy is who has the stones to lowball you, insult you AND threaten you - all in the same initial email.

This seems awful improbable.

Just who are you dealing with that "lowball you, insult you AND threaten you - all in the same initial email."
 
This seems awful improbable.

Just who are you dealing with that "lowball you, insult you AND threaten you - all in the same initial email."

If you want to call me a liar, just say it. Cowardice happens in language far too often.

Edit: the guy offered me less than half my asking price. Said I was an idiot. Then said he was going to flag my other two ads and keep flagging them until I listed them at better prices.

I was apparently dealing with the mind of a drug-addled felon from the looks of his record.
 
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I just require a concealed carry permit

That eliminates that problem

I also get the number off of the license

I learned my lesson when I sold a gun and the guy posted it for sale later the same day for more money:fire:
 
This seems awful improbable.

Just who are you dealing with that "lowball you, insult you AND threaten you - all in the same initial email."

I've never had someone do this while selling a gun (I haven't owned many in my life, and the ones I have I'm quite fond of), but people would do this all the time when I was selling off some bicycles I was moving on from. Likewise with some cameras. This absolutely happens.
 
You lost me at "you decide to check the name..." Why do I care. Rude people get simply cut off.

Most of the few sales I do go through a dealer anyway, especially for people I don't know, online transactions (and all interstate stuff of course). They will be the transferring authority so it's their job to deal with it.
 
Two minutes in to an email and this guy turns all drama on you?
Lowball, insult and threaten?
Just pull the plug on him, there is no need to discuss this with him, block his email and move on.
Life is too short to deal with rabble.
 
I decided to reach out to the sheriffs department. My conscience is clear.

Good decision. I'm interested to hear the logic from the 5 people in the poll that said to do nothing.


On a related note, I have 4 guns I'm getting rid of because I don't shoot. The risk of a felon getting them is a real concern for my wife. So much so that he is urging me to take the loss and sell them back to a FFL. I haven't agreed yet, but it is certainly easier on my conscience.
 
Not when I was Parole Officer. But I had a large caseload and did not have time to investigate and try to prove intent. Even then there was no assurance the Parole Board would agree with me. You may not be aware of how crowded most prisons are and how long the waiting list is to get inside.
I just require a concealed carry permit

That eliminates that problem

Good decision. I'm interested to hear the logic from the 5 people in the poll that said to do nothing.
For basically the same reason that BSA1 listed above. The likelihood that anything will happen to the guy legally even if he is the correct guy that you found online is extremely low.

I worked at a Gunstore for a little over two years in the late 90's and one of my first lessons into how things actually work came after a man who was trying to buy a gun got denied for the first time during my first week in gun sales. After he was denied he flat out admitted that he had several strikes against him in California and he "just wanted to see if it would go through since it's been a long time".

After he left the store I asked the manager "so what do we do now?" Call the police, the ATF? What?"

He said go file the 4473 and the store sales paper in the grey cabinet with all the others and then went on to explain to me how only 17 felons were prosecuted nationwide annually the year before for trying to buy a gun at the time. So the store wasn't going to do anything.

So a total of 17 prosecutions for felons and other prohibited persons trying to buy a gun in the entire country. On what would be slam dunk cases where criminals are trying to buy a gun to potentially commit a robbery, hot burglary or commit a violent act against someone. 17?!!! All 50 States and at the time a little under 300 million people iirc.

During the later Obama years I remembered the interaction with both my manager and the felon as a result of some thread on a gun forum and looked up the then current number prosecuted across the entire nation. Once again the number of felons prosecuted was extremely low, they were in the twenties. Again, 20-something people for all 50 States. Those people must have been under close investigation at the time and they must have not been able to charge them with anything else. Either that or they had the worst luck ever.

The more things change the more things stay the same. So much for prosecuting felons under existing gun laws rather than trying to make new gun laws.

On a related note, I have 4 guns I'm getting rid of because I don't shoot. The risk of a felon getting them is a real concern for my wife. So much so that he is urging me to take the loss and sell them back to a FFL.
Currently when selling a gun I just do the same thing as John Will and just ask for a current copy of their CHL and if they don't have a CHL then I don't sell them the gun.

If they're a felon or other prohibited possessor they won't have one of those.

Edit : I just looked, in 2016 the number of prosecutions rose to a whopping 32. Woo wee.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/15/e...d-criminals-who-sought-to-buy-guns-illegally/

See what I mean?

Apparently prosecutions are up under Trump though.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ssion-23-percent-president-trump-ag-sessions/
 
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