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A Few AK questions?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by kuntreeboy80, Dec 24, 2008.

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  1. kuntreeboy80

    kuntreeboy80 Member

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    I'm sure someone has already asked these questions but I am unable to find the exact answers I'm looking for so I will ask them all at once. First I have a friend (and I do mean a friend it's not me) who recently purchased an Ak with another "Parts" AK that has a questionable past. The "parts" AK is only a lower receiver and a barrel with some if not most of the guts left in it. My question is with the "Parts" left in it how can you tell if someone has attempted to make a full auto and would it be possible to convert it back to a regular semi?
     
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  2. nalioth

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    Take all the pieces out of the receiver and count the holes in the sides (not the bottom).

    If you count 8, you've got trouble.
     
  3. kuntreeboy80

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    Naliothyou are a big help on both of my questions if there are that many holes can it be fixed to be normal again or is it scrap?
     
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    If there are 8 holes, it's a ticket for 10 years minimum in Club Fed and a big fine. I'll let you make your own decisions from there.
     
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    If it has 8 holes and no paperwork---yeah it can be fixed by destroying it very promptly. I suggest a date with that receiver and an Oxy Acetylene torch. From what I've heard jail isn't real fun.
     
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    Well definitely not what I wanted to hear was hoping to be able to spare it, talk him out of it and build me a rifle. Can the barrel be saved or are the barrels and lowers solid?
     
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    Yes the barrel can be saved.
     
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    Alright well looks like I will salvage what I can from it and have him destroy the rest better safe then sorry! I dont need anyone that works for a three letter agency breathing down my neck or a larger man than I in prison doing it either!
     
  9. RP88

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    you can save everything but the receiver, if that makes you feel better. The receiver is the only part that is considered a gun by (current) ATF regulations. Salvage what you can, then destroy the receiver.
     
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    Well, I'm wondering (since I've never seen a hole that couldn't be plugged) if a guy couldn't just fill those holes?
     
  11. MrCleanOK

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    I think that "once a machine gun, always a machine gun" is a safe bet in this instance.
     
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    I suppose I would tend to agree with Mr. Clean, but if the extra hole(s) were welded up and then blended in, how would anyone know? As easy as that would likely be, seems a big waste to trash the reciever.
     
  13. JWarren

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    A lot of things regarding gun laws are a big waste.

    But so is 10 years in prison.

    I'm not willing to bet 10 years of my life on the possiblity that some LEO or ATF person would not notice it.

    I WOULD, however, be willing to shed out $60 on a new receiver or $10 on a receiver flat to make sure that doesn't happen.


    Consider it insurance.


    -- John
     
  14. RP88

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    +1 to that.

    AK receivers aren't very expensive.

    Also, it doesn't matter if the holes are plugged. All that means is that at one point it WAS a machine gun, and that is probably all it would take to have you bent over the bench in court. You don't want to play around with the what-if's.
     
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    I see your point, and having exactly 0 interest in this type of gun, didn't realize the recievers were that cheap. I know what the law says regarding once is forever, still, if welded up properly, short of an x-ray, it simply couldn't be detected. With my interest in this type of gun and the fact they will soon be illegal anyway, it really doesn't concern me, just a point of interest.
     
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    Silly question, but you're not counting the selector hole are you?

    What you're looking for is the "third pin" hole for the auto/safety sear:

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    Note: the pic shows one of the "third pin" Chinese AK's that were imported with a rivet blocking the hole. The ATF considers them MG's regardless of the rivet.
     
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    That's not a fact. It's a rather unlikely conjecture, IMO.
     
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    Even if they pass another AWB, it would likely be a repeat of the '94 AWB. That ban, like most other gun regulation in history has always had a "Grandfather clause."

    Americans are not comfortable with the idea of seizure of property via legislation, regardless of the topic. The precident is recognizably a dangerous one. Because of that, a grandfather clause is a likely "compromise point."


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    Silly response, but your picture shows 4 holes (one plugged, 3 open). There are two sides to a receiver, so that makes 8 holes.
     
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    Talk about delayed posting time.
     
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    Well, the question wasn't directed at you, but my assumption was we were talking about 8 holes per side.

    Looking at a stripped receiver: 3 front rivets + 2 rear rivets + hammer + trigger + selector = 8 per side.
     
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    I was talking about a complete gun.

    A parts kit can't be full auto or semi auto or any other auto because it's parts and doesn't work.
     
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    This picture as shown above is the left side of the receiver. The area pointed out is the critcal one, and is above and just behind the mag well, and or the mag release.

    There are many kinds of AK clones, and so it can be confusing.

    I know on a SAR-1 there is a Y indent where that hole would be is a SAR-1 were ever a machine gun.

    A Yugo M70 AB2 is just flat and plainly never had this hole., and looks much like the pic shown, other than it is easy to tell no hole was ever there.

    Before you ruin anything make sure there is or is not any hole.

    Then if there is, or was, cut that receiver to bits.
     
  24. kuntreeboy80

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    Oh definitely, wouldnt destroy it till Im sure! I will be giving it the once over maybe even a few times over to make sure! The gun from what he says is no where near firing condition so I guess I will be counting holes and other such things!
     
  25. hhmorant

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    No offense intended. I tend to think of the receiver by itself since, like you said, it's the only part that matters. For some reason, it didn't dawn on me to include the holes on both sides.

    kuntreeboy80, good luck with your receiver.
     
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