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A friend and I had legally carried firearms confiscated tonight

Discussion in 'Legal' started by The Undertoad, Jun 15, 2004.

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  1. The Real Hawkeye

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    Not as The Real Hawkeye, you won't. They booted me off. I'm still there, but under cover. :D

    As for what you said, personally, I think it's usually a better idea to carry concealed (don't have a choice in my state, anyway, as that's the only legal option unless you're hunting, camping or fishing), but I'm happy that some people are carrying openly in public from time to time, just to push the envelope a bit. I understand what you were saying, though. Catch you on 1911, but you won't likely know it's me. Or maybe you can guess, as my new persona has all the same views that The Real Hawkeye has. Just a little more discreet. :D
     
  2. Edward429451

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    What it all comes down to is don't act like an idiot when you open carry. Be super polite, don't make eye contact when checking your snap, possibly even have some cash in your hand (or checkbook) when you enter a place of business etc. Thats what I do.

    Don't be the guy Brownie described in his hypothetical. They're out there for sure and will hurt our cause. Everyone's a potential witness, make sure they worst thing they can say (without lieing) is that yes that guy has a gun. No he didn't do anything officer, he seemed to be minding his own business...

    It's all how you carry yourself. A couple days ago I scared the pee out of a guy at the tranny shop. Was helping my friend drop off his tranny for a rebuild and while he was inside getting it written up, I was preparing to help unload it. Back door open, me with my Molon Labe hat, dark sunglasses and gloves on waiting crouched in the shade of the back door of my truck. A guy with a bank bag walks around the side of my truck and almost right into me. I immediately stood up (reactionary) and I guess the combo of glasses & gloves and quick movement to stand up startled him and he almost started to run. (He couldn't see my openly carried concealed pistol) when I says "scuse me, sorry" and realizing I scared the guy I took off my glasses and sat down on the rear of my truck. He looked a little embarrassed and proceeded into the tranny shop.

    I could have easily been charged with attempted robbery.
    They could show motive. (He had money)
    Oppurtunity
    Means (pistol)
    Glasses & gloves.
    But not intent even though a DA could make me look real bad with the unfavorable combo of dress & arms.
    Solution? Be humble, polite, reassuring. Remove glasses to show no hiding of my ID, back off, sit down, BE NICE.

    The guy almost tripped over me. Do I have to take that crap? Yes I do. Being armed doesn't mean you don't have to take any crap, it means you have to take more. Politeness and consideration for my fellow man in the age of the wimp. I didn't laugh at him, grin, nothing. I showed concern and politeness and gave ground to him out of respect and when you respect people they wont get the urge to embellish the truth for revenge.

    A humble demeanor defuses much with LEO & citizen alike.
     
  3. SWMAN

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    Unfortuantely I have to agree with Edward429451. As a matter of fact I work within a few miles of where this incident took place. Although, surprisingly most people in my white collar office are gun owners and talk about guns freely, N.VA really has a healthy group of white collar liberals. You need to be careful about what you do or say about guns, especially in public. We may have the right to open carry in N.VA, but as the saying goes "descretion is the better part of valor". Get a concealed handgun permit and carry covered.
     
  4. The Real Hawkeye

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    Yeah, and Rosa Parks should have just held her tongue and taken the seat in the back of the bus, because she was just causing more trouble for her fellow blacks in the South. If she followed your advice, they'd still be using separate bathrooms and water fountains. :rolleyes:
     
  5. sendec

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    I never met Rosa Parks, but you're no Rosa Parks

    The comparison is an insult to the leaders of the civil liberities movement of the 60's. Stop draping yourself in that mantle, you have'nt earned it. You are PO'd over what is basically a dress code, nothing more, and your shrill histrionics are as tiresome as this thread.

    Do what you need to do, but to compare getting rousted over open carry in a yuppiecoffeefernbar to what Miss Parks did is obscene. I've heard it a couple times in the course of this thread, which is more like a cable, but stop it.

    You want to storm Chuck E. Cheese with your thigh rig on, do it, Go ahead, do it. You know what? It wont make the universe revolve around you and you'll look like a tool.

    As is your right.

    :banghead:
     
  6. trlmech

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    You have been told many times to get a lawyer. I will repeat that. You are legally in the right but that dosen't really mean anything in the cozy littlie club called the judicial system. The judge got his chushy job because he was a lawyer and his buddies liked him enough to promote him. If you show up in court lawerless with anything more serious than a speeding ticket you are not playing the game right. You are not provided the expected income to the judges friends and if you go off spouting the law he/she will decide you are a smart ass kid who deserves a lesson. Yes I am a cynic, learned the hard way. Chuck
     
  7. The Undertoad

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    trlmech, thanks for the advice and welcome to THR. Hope you stick around, great group of people here. Problem has been resolved - charges were dropped and firearms returned within 24 hours... :)
     
  8. ScottS

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    Sorry, sendec, but the Rosa Parks reference is right on point.

    1. She was exercising a legal activity in the face of ignorant opposition.
    2. She knew that, even though she was right, and legal, in her course of action, she would likely get hassled by local LEO's.
    3. Spineless others counselled her to not "rock the boat," and to be happy with what rights she had, for fear of a backlash that took away what little rights she enjoyed.
    4. She stood her ground and was eventually vindicated.

    Sounds right to me.

    This is the first technique you used to marginalize the opposition's argument: I don't have an answer for this one, so you can't use it.

    Nice try.

    The second is to portray the opposition in a ludicrous light, and thereby trivialize their argument. No where in this or any other "open carry" thread has anyone ever advocated anything other than going about one's business. Yet, look how you portray the other side:
    No one ever talked about "storming" anything, or running up and getting in anyone's face. They just want to go about their daily lives unmolested. Why do you continue to portray them in an intimidating, offensive posture? Because that way their arguments look like a fringe element.

    Nice try, again. Both techniques are the hallmarks of someone losing an agrument.

    Scott
     
  9. cropcirclewalker

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    Mr. ScottS

    If I am not mistaken, I could be wrong, I've been wrong before, Mr. Sendec is a gun controller LEO. He doesn't think the citizens are entitled to the same rights as them.

    You know, "Ok for me, but not for thee."

    IMO he may be offended that certain states allow for the subjects to open carry. It may steal some of their LEO thunder. I cannot understand it.

    It is curious to me, however, how he whines that this is a "cable" instead of a thread, but he still keeps repeatedly posting.

    If it was wore out, why does he keep logging on and reading the posts?

    Before you read my sig line, please be informed that....
    I hold Peace Officers in high regard.
    I hold Revenue Enhancement Officers in Low regard.
    I have been involved numerous times in the last 5 years with LEOs (probably a dozen) and with one exception they have performed the services for which they are paid with the utmost of professional skill and demeanor.
    The last ticket I got was in 1989.
    I do not have an "Issue" with Police, other than they are tools of the state.
    My sig line is a quote from a post to a person who had been detained and arrested for lawful open carry (As I had been, once) and was an attempt to keep him from harm.
    :)
     
  10. sendec

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    No.

    You are wrong.

    The strident open carry proponents want one thing: they want people to like them. They want people to think like them and to accept everything they do. They are self-indulgent and egocentric.

    A quick recap: our two heros were legally open-carrying ina jurisdiction where it is legal to do so and also legal to carry concealed with the appropriate permits. They chose to walk into a public place were the open carriage of guns is unusual. They got jacked up and had weapons wrongfully confiscated and rightfully returned.

    The only thing they suffered was hurt feelings. They had a temporary wrong committed against them but suprise, suprise, the system worked and they walked.

    I, nor anyone else, has said that open carry should be illegal. In most places it is not. Many of us would like some common sense to prevail - open carry in the woods: OK, open carry at the mall, less OK.

    Our proponents want to be loved. They want to be greated with open arms and caring smiles. Grow up, it doesnt work that way- You'll get laughed at, just like the guy who show up to deer camp in wingtips. Forcing your value set on everyone else is selfish at best, fascist at worst.

    Enough, I'm on vacation.

    CCW, I dont care what you carry, just keep your s**t to yourself and out of my face.
     
  11. dev_null

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    Don't let the door hit you in the @$$.

    "Want to be loved" my foot. I want the right and freedom to do what my Constitution and the laws of my state say I can, without being shaken down by cops responding to hysteria from the sheeple, AND without being backstabbed by fellow gun owners. *ptui*

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  12. brownie0486

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    I know better than to post this but here goes:

    "Hows it feel to want?"

    I want a lot of things as well, just can't have everything I want, just a fact of life, get used to it.

    Brownie
     
  13. Shovelhead

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    Ahhh yes,

    But we don't just WANT to carry openly in our state.

    It's LEGAL in our state.;)

    HMMMMM......Could be the reason they recieved an appology and their wrongfully confiscated weapon back.

    Ed
     
  14. The Real Hawkeye

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    Do you think it would be ok if blacks regularly were subject to that kind of treatment, so long as the system finally worked in each situation. I think the president would call in the Feds to walk around with them to make sure local cops didn't harrass them for exercising their rights to be in places where "being black was unusual." Why the double standard? It is just as much a Constitutional right to be black as to bear arms. In fact bearing arms has been a Constitutional right far longer than being black has.
     
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    The want I was referring to wasn't the legal issue of carrying openly.

    It was the want for the rest of society to mind their own buisiness. Thats not about to happen anytime soon, as such, if your expectations are based on your wants, you are setting yourself up to be disappointed continuously when your wants do not become the reality of life.

    Brownie
     
  16. dev_null

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    Brownie, you're probably a decent person, but we're obviously never going to agree on this subject.

    Is this horse dead yet? It sure as hell isn't pinin' for the fjords.

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  17. Stebalo

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    Undertoad:

    Congratulations on everything working out for the best.

    Your story made the Washington Post today

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50416-2004Jul14.html


     
  18. Diggler

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    Yeah... we wouldn't want anyone able to defend themselves in Fairfax County! That's unreasonable!
     
  19. geekWithA.45

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    Translation:

    Gunnies should **** and count themselves lucky to have any guns at all. By publicly using their rights, "more rational" thinkers will sit around, think rationally, and go to their legislators to have the less rational thinker's toys taken away, and it would serve them right.

    Papa Spank.
     
  20. bogie

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    Isn't it amazing how a few non-incidents garner so much national media attention?

    It must be working or they wouldn't be trying to stop it.
     
  22. The Undertoad

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    Wow.

    Way to go Philip, he had some good quotes in there. :)
     
  23. Treylis

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    This really needs to be repeated, over and over and over again.
     
  24. El Rojo

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    Wow you made Foxnews, that is great. Good job.
     
  25. El Tejon

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    SUE THEM!
     
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