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Yep. Laws of physics comes into play. Pressure/volume/temperature. When I was in Engineering I never saw anything about the name on the head stamp having an effect.
A fun thread, what weird wildcat do YOU wish was on the market and popular?
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If they would neck a 300BLK down to .223 I think they would really have something 
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I have pondered this a lot and read on it a fair amount. As mentioned physics comes into play and only certain things make sense. Some rounds are in the "sweet spot" and others can be pushed to do things but they do it at the cost of more powder, recoil, barrel life, etc with limited gain.
Components are changing and there may be room in the future but likely not a lot in my life time.
!!!I have pondered this a lot and read on it a fair amount. As mentioned physics comes into play and only certain things make sense. Some rounds are in the "sweet spot" and others can be pushed to do things but they do it at the cost of more powder, recoil, barrel life, etc with limited gain.
Components are changing and there may be room in the future but likely not a lot in my life time.
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I still do not understand why the .50 Special, based either on .500 S&W or .500 Linebaugh, is not a mainstream cartridge. 350 grain bullets at 750 fps are an absolute hoot, without obnoxious noise or recoil.
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The 50 special is a sweet round. When the 500 mag first came out I rented one at a gun range. Big nope after 20 rounds (I bought the full box, I was gonna shoot it, danget) my hand felt like I stopped a baseball bat with it. But the 50 special was just a yuge hunk of lead lazily hitting targets with a loud whump. What a sweet load.
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6.5 wsm*
*its the 300 wsm necked down to 26 cal
6.5-06 30 degree shoulder*
*it will have the same shoulder as a 6.5 Creedmoor
*its the 300 wsm necked down to 26 cal
6.5-06 30 degree shoulder*
*it will have the same shoulder as a 6.5 Creedmoor
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Cant argue with .264 ballistics out of any cartridge.
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Another thing id love to see for my contender would be a subsonic centerfire thats .224 caliber. Not sure what parent case you could use, but with a singleshot contender basically anything small enough to get a good case fill.
90gr .224s doing 1k fps would be a real sweet 200 yard paper puncher.
90gr .224s doing 1k fps would be a real sweet 200 yard paper puncher.
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That would be 22 Remington jet
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500 jrh. It's trying, only factory gun I know available is the BFR- and I want one. Normal size instead of the oversized cylinder revolvers. It just makes too much sense.
The 22 Rem jet was 357 necked down to 22 cal.
The tcm is 223 cut to a length similar to 9mm and fired in a locking breach weapon. This got rid of case locking up the cylinder issues caused by the rem jet being a revolver cartridge.
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Yep, I misread something.
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Wonder if 22 hornet could be safely downloaded to 1k fps with real heavy .224 bullets and a proper twist....
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Good Lord! 22 Pokey brass is $3.25!
Each!
That's $162 before shipping, for fifty of them!
Which brings a huge reason why these remain WildCattery.
Still, I like the little guy.
A seven inch barreled 1911 as a garden gun, with a double stacked twenty-five round magazine.
A hundred dollars worth of ammunition, in one magazine. That's approching ELR Rifle ammo costs.
Or a fifteen shot P-32.
Each!
That's $162 before shipping, for fifty of them!
Which brings a huge reason why these remain WildCattery.
Still, I like the little guy.
A seven inch barreled 1911 as a garden gun, with a double stacked twenty-five round magazine.
A hundred dollars worth of ammunition, in one magazine. That's approching ELR Rifle ammo costs.
Or a fifteen shot P-32.
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I'd love to see the .356 Winchester cartridge come back to life. It faded away too soon.
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Elkins45: "The 308 has been necked up to 338 Federal and 358 Winchester. It's been necked down to 7mm-08 and 243. I wish there were a standardized 25 caliber version."
I have wondered that too.
With the .308 and 30-06 relationship you have:
308 Win and 30-06
358 Win and 35 Whelan
7mm-08 and 280 Rem
But...
?? and 25-06
260 Rem and ??
?? and 270 Win
Somebody must have stuck 25 caliber and 270 caliber bullets in a 308 case, and somebody else must have done the same with 6.5 bullets in a 30-06 case.
I have wondered that too.
With the .308 and 30-06 relationship you have:
308 Win and 30-06
358 Win and 35 Whelan
7mm-08 and 280 Rem
But...
?? and 25-06
260 Rem and ??
?? and 270 Win
Somebody must have stuck 25 caliber and 270 caliber bullets in a 308 case, and somebody else must have done the same with 6.5 bullets in a 30-06 case.
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Sig did just that with their new 277 bi metal round for the military. The difference is that the neck is shorter than standard 308 and other cartridges based off the 308 case. And the Sig 277 runs at a lot higher pressure, something around 80,000.
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My imaginary 12x24mm GRD (Grumpy Revolver Dude). 12x24mm GRD is short and fat for quick reliable loading and ejecting from a revolver. It launches big bore 12mm bullets (.475-inch). Max pressure would be a moderate 24,000 psi with a goal of 600-800 ft-lbs of muzzle energy depending on bullet weight. The moderate pressure would keep it easy on your ears, especially when hunting with no ear-pro. Heavy bullets (~400gr) would be sub-sonic at 800-850 fps. Light bullets in the 275 gr range, would approach 1200fps. Case length would be 24mm and would be semi-rimless. The case would use large pistol primers. A large extractor groove to allow the use of very thick (.040-.050 inch thick) robust moonclips (MOONCLIPS RULE!!!) in the large extractor groove. Semi-rimless would also allow the cartridges to head space on the cartridge rim in the absence of moonclips. The Cylinder would be cut much as a cylinder for an rimmed cartridge is cut for moonclips.
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I really like this one, especially if someone made a modified Mi carbine to use it in. Wouldn't take much since 30 carbine and .357 have the same length brass.
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The 350 Legend is very close to what you ask for. The 357 AR Max is even closer though not a SAAMI cartridge.
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There has been 6.5-06 since the 50’s.
Bench rest crowd used to run them quite a bit.
That would essentially be the 6.5 PCR. They used the very similar 300 Ruger Compact Magnum case instead of 300 WSM.
I really liked the 300 WSM. It spawned several others, 270, 7mm, and 325 WSM. The 325 I never understood. The 300 shoots the same bullet weights to the same speed for the exact same performance at the muzzle, but the 300's much better BC's meant the 325 just couldn't keep up down range. A 338 version would have been much better. I wouldn't buy one because I don't need it, but a 338 WSM wouldn't be a bad idea.
Ruger's offered both the 300 and 338 RCM cartridges. Winchester should have done the same.
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