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A Gay Liberal Guy Explores Ohio Gun Culture

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Kentak, Jun 12, 2007.

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  1. Kentak

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  2. Don Gwinn

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    Meh. Pretty standard new-guy fare. Be interesting if some of these guys who write these pieces just as they're dipping their toes in went back five or ten years later and wrote about re-reading them.
     
  3. Abby

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    That's actually a really good read. Thanks for posting it!
     
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    Thanks for posting, good story. Women, minorities, gays have more reason to pack than a 6 foot bodybuilder, but unfortunately they have been brainwashed by popular culture to avoid guns.
     
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    Very emotional article. It seems like his fear is making him start to realize why some carry instead of the guns are evil aspect.
     
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    +1

    I'm 6ft 250 lbs (not all of which is fat, but no bodybuilder), but when people ask me why I support gun ownership my usual reply is along those lines. I may be statistically less likely to need a gun in an assault, but there are plenty of people out there which a gun may be their only effective means of defense.

    "God created man, but Samuel Colt made them equal." and all that.... :)


    I'm definitely going to have to track down a hard copy of that article, though. It's wild hearing someone talk about all those places I occasionally haunt in a gun article.


    Stonewall is a sweet range, BTW. My local place is a dump, but it's 5 mins away and Stonewall is on the West Side. (40 mins away) :(
     
  7. jlbraun

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    I like it. I used to live in Cleveland.
     
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    There are certain groups of people in the world who are almost always the targets of hate. I'll never understand why they aren't all fully prepared to stay safe.
     
  9. JJpdxpinkpistols

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    Yep...

    I know exactly how he feels. I am a "recent" convert to gun culture (5 years now), have been involved in the world of gay men and lesbians for two decades now, and used to vote for liberals almost exclusively.

    I remember my mother chastising us for pointing STICKS at each other when we were kids. All the other kids had Star Wars blasters to play with, but we wouldn't even allowed the toy light sabers.

    Ultimately, what broke it was a nutball chasing me down the street three blocks to my car, and my realizing that I didn't have a tool to effectively deal with the situation, and my wife becoming ill enough to not be able to run.

    Tomorrow, I introduce her to the cult of the shotgun. Wheeeee!
     
  10. JaxNovice

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    I really enjoyed that article. Interesting read.
     
  11. Crunker1337

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    Eh, he was doing good until the end when he said that he could never hold a firearm again and equates that to killing someone.
     
  12. jselvy

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    Not everyone can take on the terrible burden of being a citizen.
    These people will alway remain subjects.

    Jefferson
     
  13. LawBot5000

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    Wow, I can't imagine someone breaking in here and coming back the next day to steal more stuff. Reincarnation takes longer than that, no?

    Still, he reaches the correct conclusion that if the police won't protect him, he should protect himself.
     
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    Some people would rather be hurt than hurt others. They dont realize that the expectation of significant bodily harm is enough to present the deterrent effect of a firearm. The author probably expects death is a likely result of drawing on an attacker.
     
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    If I recall where he lives, it's more a case of they CAN'T protect him, just as they mostly likely can't protect any one of us. I have a reasonable expectation that my local PD would LIKE to protect me, but I'd have to be smoking catfood to think they CAN.

    Given that the guy is gay, there may very well be places where they either don't care if they "protect" him, or outright don't want to.

    In any case, if you're not prepared to protect yourself, the overwhelming odds are that you won't be protected at all.

    I responded to a Chicago cop on a Chicago cop's blog this morning. Somebody was gloating about the removal of the Office of Professional Standards from the Chicago PD and how that would put a hurting on the Chicago PD. He asked rhetorically who the guy would call if he was mugged or if his home were invaded. I asked the cop what he was going to do, since unless he was specifically detailed to protect him, the guy was strictly on his own anyway. I reminded the cop that he has no meaningful duty to protect, maybe no desire, and almost definitely no ability. I told him [truthfully] that my godsister had been stabbed to death by her boyfriend. I asked him why he didn't "protect" her...
     
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    Crunker1337:
    Where does he say that? It seems like he might be becoming rational and defense-minded.

     
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    Mr. Gay Liberal Guy might be too far into the mode of thinking that says, "I can't hurt anybody. OMG!"

    Then again, he might be able to make a full conversion. Now, one of my best friends is a gay man. He is often liberal in many of his views. But, he is also ex-military, a Southerner from Lousiana, and owns an AK and keeps more ammo around than I do.

    I have discovered that liberal and gay do not equal anti-gun. But, that being said, far too many are. Hopefully, we can change that.
     
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    I seriously think, if we can get the gay community pro-gun, we'd have nothing to fear from the liberals any more... oh and we'd have fabulous furniture for our Kalashnikovs :)
     
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    I'm pro Pink Guns.
    I'd like to outnumber the opposition for once.
    I'm pro minorities with guns
    It is awfully hard to oppress an armed society.
    I'm pro women with guns
    I like Dead Rapists and molesters
    I'm pro high school training
    If it works for condoms why not for AK's

    Jefferson
     
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    That's for me to know and not you!
    Well its a nice read, hopefully a convert, everyone has a right to protect themselves, any race, creed etc.
     
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    I love the line: "There are no verified statistics that anyone is safer with a gun."

    Well, gee-whiz, if I use a gun to fend off a violent attacker, it can be argued that I AM safer. There's a verified data point right there.
     
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    I think with a little more help from the right people, rainbow-colored grips on a nice handgun will be in that guy's future :D
     
  23. jerkyman45

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    decent enough read, worth the time. the one thing that got me was when that anti said "There are no verified statistics that anyone is safer with a gun." I think it can be infered by the statistic that DOJ got back when they interviewed the convicts and found that something like 34% had been forcibly disuaded from engaging in violence toward someone due to that someone being armed.
     
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    I was thinking sterling silver equal symbol inlays on the grips

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    Hell, on second thought I might do that...
     
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    Call me crazy, but I have my doubts this was written for the purpose of being pro gun. There's more descriptive anti-gun stuff written in there than there is pro gun. It almost seems like it's an anti article trying to look non bias via an innocent first time, first hand experience.

    Signed,
    Suspicious.
     
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