A Grudging Review of the Glock 19

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I have to say that Glocks just are not me. I seriously think they are great guns for the masses. I like every thing about them, but they just do not hit it for myself. Every single year, I try and change that. Every year, I will take my favorite gun, rent or borrow a Glock and shoot side by side. This year, I took my favorite gun the Beretta Nano, which now has 13,000 ran through it in a year and a half, (not to mention two others) and just ran it side by side. 200 rds through both guns. The Glock I tried this year was the Glock 43X. Both guns ran perfectly, but at the end, their was no contest. The Nano more than proved it was the Pistol, the gun Gods prepared in heaven for me.Few Parts like the Glock, and built like a rock to the point of almost over built. Mild shooting.Exceptional reliability.

Again, No disparagement toward the Glock. Great for millions, just was not meant for me.
 
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I have to say that Glocks just are not me. I seriously think they are great guns for the masses. I like every thing about them, but they just do not hit it for myself. Every single year, I try and change that. Every year, I will take my favorite gun, rent or borrow a Glock and shoot side by side. This year, I took my favorite gun the Beretta Nano, which now has 13,000 ran through it in a year and a half, (not to mention two others) and just ran it side by side. 200 rds through both guns. The Glock I tried this year was the Glock 43X. Both guns ran perfectly, but at the end, their was no contest. The Nano more than proved it was the Pistol, the gun Gods wanted me to carry.

Again, No disparagement toward the Glock. Great for millions, just was not meant for me.

Not every pistol will fit everyone and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I can't stand any brand of pistol with finger grooves because they do not fit my hands, others love finger grooves. I shoot a 1911 and a Glock way better that a Beretta M9/92 due to the fact of how each fits my hand. Variety is the spice of life.

And YES I hated the Beretta M9 when they made us turn our 1911A1's in for the M9. I never could shoot the M9 as well as the 1911.
 
How’s the Glock compare to those in your shooting experiences?
The Glock was a good gun, solid & reliable, with a (small) handful of malfunctions over my period of ownership. I invested pretty heavily in it, because it was my do-everything pistol. Gen 4 was the first gen that didn't feel as blocky in my hands as older ones, but I always carried and shot mine without the backstraps. That was how it felt best in my hands. I'm not a great shot, but I'm OK. And I shot the Glock OK. Any difficulties I had shooting were shooter problems, not pistol problems. I have no doubt that the Glock was capable of greater accuracy than I was. And I know this, in part, because I work with some firearms instructors who have been very generous with their time in helping me work out my shooting problems.

In 2017, I bought my first Shield 9. From the first time I picked it up, I knew it fit my hands better. Maybe my thumb is some fraction of an inch too short to reach the mag release on the Glock, or some difference between the Shield's 'footprint' and the Glock's, but the Shield 9 just felt right. Three years and ~750 rounds later, my Shield has been 100% reliable. Blazer Brass, WWB, Fiocchi, Remington Golden Saber ..... it does not care. It eats it all without hesitation. The G19 has a barrel that's about 3/4" longer than the Shield. Yet I shoot the Shield just as well, out to at least 25 yards. Mind you, I don't shoot either one all that well out to 25 yards, but again, that's a shooter problem. It's just that I shoot them equally well (or badly). I also have to say that the Shield shoots like a bigger pistol. Honestly, it handles recoil like a much bigger pistol. I'm not sure it didn't handle recoil better than my Glock.

I loved my G19, but my Shield sent her to be a safe queen.

My Shield 45 has some extra heft through the grip, and it's every so slightly bigger and beefier than the Shield 9. Add to that an extra 0.7" in barrel length, and it begins to look a lot like the G19 in dimension. I only have about 300 rounds through the S45, so it's a little early to tell. If S&W can make it feed right, I think I'll really enjoy it.
..... Not that I'm against polymer pistols in general; some of my current favorites are the HK VP9, Ruger SR9c, Kahr CM9, CZ P07, and Steyr M9.....
....If i thought a glock would be better for me than my sr9c I would buy one today.
I came THIS close to buying an SR9c today with the proceeds from selling Gretchen. As it turned out, there was a .22 rifle I wanted more.
My biggest gripe about Glocks has always been the finger grooves.....
If I buy another Glock (and I won't rule out another Glock 19 one day), might have to either get a non-finger-grooves gen, or have them removed.
I would compare a Glock to a Honda for sure. Nothing fancy bet gets the job done.
I think the Honda comparison is very apt.
 
If I buy another Glock (and I won't rule out another Glock 19 one day), might have to either get a non-finger-grooves gen, or have them removed.

Like I said I never cared for Glocks until the Gen 5 came out due to the finger grooves. The slimline G42/43/43x/48 and all gen 5 pistols do not have finger grooves. I had a set of rubber wrap around grips with finger grooves on my compact 1911 that had to go too.
 
After some 7 years, 2000 rounds, and one broken spring, Gretchen and I parted ways yesterday, and I returned to the ranks of the Glockless. She was my first polymer pistol, but she won't be my last. In spite of about 25 years of detesting polymer pistols, I've learned that there's a lot to like in the plastic fantastics. That said, over the last few years, I've also realized that there are other pistols that fit my hand a lot better than my G19 did.

Once, I too, reluctantly embraced the Glock, I opened myself up to other similar poly guns. I have since parted ways with my Glock as well....haha I gave it to my wife...and found the M&P series fit me better and can be modified to have a very nice trigger.
 
Like I said I never cared for Glocks until the Gen 5 came out due to the finger grooves. The slimline G42/43/43x/48 and all gen 5 pistols do not have finger grooves. I had a set of rubber wrap around grips with finger grooves on my compact 1911 that had to go too.

Indeed, the grooves going away have revitalized the Glock 19 for me. Always loved the size and weight, but the grooves are just not built for my hands (17 fits great however, 21 as well). 19, 48, 43X all feel wonderful in my hands.

Came to a realization not too long ago, inside 20 yards I shot my lowly Glock 19 every bit as well as my 1911s, Sigs and even my Wilson EDC X9. Plus it's light and easy to carry.

Often as I try to find a new, better, mousetrap for carry, I always keep coming back to the Glock 19, especially now that it actually feels decent in my hand (carried a Gen 3 for a while, and a Gen 4 for a while too, couple 23s in the mix as well).
 
Often as I try to find a new, better, mousetrap for carry, I always keep coming back to the Glock 19, especially now that it actually feels decent in my hand (carried a Gen 3 for a while, and a Gen 4 for a while too, couple 23s in the mix as well).

The G19 is the Toyota Camry of handguns.

I cannot find any fault in my Gen 5 MOS version, and carried it for a while, but went to the P365 due to the significant size reduction. Still, the G19 just plain works well in nearly any situation.

I'm going to pick up a Gen 5 G23 when they are finally released and available and will probably carry it for a while, then go back to the P365.
 
I'm going to pick up a Gen 5 G23 when they are finally released and available and will probably carry it for a while,

Me too, get me back into the .40 again since the last time I had a Glock 23. Surprised it took so long, I already have dies and bullets and a ton of brass in my boxes somewhere.

My concern for carry with the new Gen 5 23 is the wider slide, might make concealment more of a challenge for me. It was the complaint I had with the APX and I think the Gen 5 slides will be about as wide as the APX (or Glock 21).

Can it be worked around? Yep, but it might be an annoyance that pushes me back to the 19 for carry.
 
Me too, get me back into the .40 again since the last time I had a Glock 23. Surprised it took so long, I already have dies and bullets and a ton of brass in my boxes somewhere.

My concern for carry with the new Gen 5 23 is the wider slide, might make concealment more of a challenge for me. It was the complaint I had with the APX and I think the Gen 5 slides will be about as wide as the APX (or Glock 21).

Can it be worked around? Yep, but it might be an annoyance that pushes me back to the 19 for carry.

Yeah, that was my concern. I have a ton of great holsters for the G19. I tried to find a Gen 4 G23 for a couple of weeks and gave up due to insane prices. I can get one for $425 through Blue Label program (if my dealer could actually get one...) so I'm not about to spend $600 for one. I'll wait patiently for the Gen 5, which will probably be about a year. I just hope they come out with OD green versions.
 
I was never going to buy a Glock...until I did.

In 2013 I bought an M&P9 and an M&P9C. The M&P9 fit my hand better than any gun I've ever owned. The 9C, not so much. I sold the 9C to fund a Fourth Generation Glock 19. I picked the 19 because it was small enough to carry at home but big enough that I didn't feel under armed carrying it in public. I never considered a Glock 17 because the standard magazines are illegal in Colorado.

John Corriea describes a Glock 19 as the Honda Accord of handguns. It doesn't do anything exceptionally but it does everything adequately. It fits my hands well, I don't notice the finger groves at all. It's small enough to conceal, it's big enough to shoot well. I can shoot it well enough to qualify expert on the Colorado Springs Armed Guard qualification. The standard magazine is legal in Colorado and costs about 2/3 of what an M&P magazine costs and as an added bonus I can carry a 19 magazine as a reload for my Glock 26. I can buy MagPul magazines for about 15 bucks apiece. Finally, there's plenty of aftermarket support.
 
Glocks are a great design; accurate, light, compact, high cap, super reliable and infinitely customizable.

Those are the reasons why everyone has copied them but thats also the problem. The competition(cz p10, mnp 2.0,caniks,iwi masada) offer the same or marginally better performance at a lower price with more features out of the box.

Glock is just somewhat overpriced for what you get because of its popularity and loyal brand followers kind of like toyota in the car world.
 
Reading through it from the start, I love how this thread progressed along.

"A grudging review of the Glock 19"

"I don’t want to like Glocks. I really don’t. I’m afraid that I’m beginning to understand some of the appeal, though"

" I put Gretchen (as I've named the G19) through her paces"

"Gretchen and I are coming up on our 2-year anniversary"

"After some 7 years, 2000 rounds, and one broken spring, Gretchen and I parted ways yesterday. She was my first polymer pistol, but she won't be my last"

:D
 
The G19 is the Toyota Camry of handguns.....
.....John Corriea describes a Glock 19 as the Honda Accord of handguns. It doesn't do anything exceptionally but it does everything adequately.....
... Glock is just somewhat overpriced for what you get because of its popularity and loyal brand followers kind of like toyota in the car world.
I won't disagree with these comparisons. Heck, one of the reasons I chose a G19 in the first place was because I needed a do-everything gun. I needed a Honda Camry.
Once, I too, reluctantly embraced the Glock, I opened myself up to other similar poly guns. I have since parted ways with my Glock as well....haha I gave it to my wife...and found the M&P series fit me better and can be modified to have a very nice trigger.
And there's an M&P on My List, too. Almost bought one over the weekend, but a .22 got in the way.
Indeed, the grooves going away have revitalized the Glock 19 for me. Always loved the size and weight, but the grooves are just not built for my hands....
The finger grooves did not bother me at first. I even thought they fit my hand pretty well. As time wore on, I started wishing that my G19 didn't have them. I won't rule out another G19 in the future, but it probably won't have finger grooves. I'll either pick one without them, or have them removed.
I've gotten back into the Glock game after getting a G48 earlier this year....
For years, I said that if Glock would make a single stack G19, I'd be all over it. I really wanted to like the G48, and genuinely thought I would. Maybe I'll go back and shoot another at some point, but I didn't care for the one I did shoot.

Reading through it from the start, I love how this thread progressed along.

"A grudging review of the Glock 19"

"I don’t want to like Glocks. I really don’t. I’m afraid that I’m beginning to understand some of the appeal, though"

" I put Gretchen (as I've named the G19) through her paces"

"Gretchen and I are coming up on our 2-year anniversary"

"After some 7 years, 2000 rounds, and one broken spring, Gretchen and I parted ways yesterday. She was my first polymer pistol, but she won't be my last"

:D
:rofl:

It does sound a bit like a bad romance novel when you edit it like that.
 
My favorite Glock is named Andreas Niki Lauda.

Not the prettiest or flashiest but you can beat it half to death and it still gets the job done with no fanfare.
 
To clarify my earlier statements, even though I'm not what I would call a Glock Fanboi, I carry Glocks exclusively.

I'd be just as confident carrying any other similar gun (M&P for example) for self-defense but IME the Glock is easier to maintain and, as I mentioned previously, the aftermarket support is better and cheaper.
 
A Grudging Review of the Glock 19:

First a little bit about myself, so that there are no misconceptions about my expertise in reviewing firearms. I have none. I’m an overweight, middle-aged lawyer. I’m not a “high-speed, low-drag operator,” and I never will be. If I had wanted to be one of those, I would have to have taken an entirely different life path about 25 years ago. I’m lucky to get to the range every couple of months, between a wife, child, and a job that’s trying really hard to work me to death. I have also failed the Unlimited Budget Test in this lifetime, so shooting hundreds of rounds every couple of weeks just doesn’t happen for me. Despite my best efforts to convince them to do otherwise, my wife and daughter insist on eating every day. If you’ve read many of my posts, you probably realize that I am not a Glock fan. I don’t want to like them, and I’ve spent 25-30 years not wanting to like them. I’m old enough that I remember the Glock Scare of the mid-1980s, when we heard rumors that Glocks could be carried through an airport metal detector without setting it off. I like wood. I like steel. I like Parkerized and well-loved guns. I'm not so fond of plastic.

With that said, a couple or three years ago, my main carry pistol was in the shop, getting some new sights, and a buddy of mine offered to loan me a pistol so that I’d have something to carry. I took him up on his offer and then, somewhat to my dismay, he brought me a Glock 19. Well, since beggars can’t be choosers, and I had nothing else suitable for that function, I gratefully accepted the loaner, and off I went. I was well aware of Glock’s reputation for reliability, and I decided that it’d be OK for a couple of weeks. I thought maybe my friends wouldn’t find out, that maybe if I wore a ball cap and fake mustache, they wouldn’t recognize me at the range. I carried it for a couple of weeks, using a simple Fobus paddle holster that he loaned me to go with the gun. At the time, I don’t think I owned a proper gun belt, a condition which I have since rectified. My normal carry pistol came back to me a few weeks later with new sights, and I returned the G19 to my buddy. I never did get to go to the range with that G19, which he has since sold, but I do recall thinking that it was awfully light for a pistol holding 15 rounds, and in spite of not owning a proper gun belt.

Well, fast forward to around May 2013, and I found myself in the market for a polymer 9mm. After much research, I settled on the Gen 4 G19. As I mentioned above, I now own a proper gun belt, an Aker B21 to be exact. When the G19 arrived, it came with factory night sights, and a couple of spare magazines. I was able to get hold of a leather Galco OWB holster, the name of which escapes me at the moment.

When the Glock first arrived, 9mm ammunition was notably absent from the shelves around here. I had to call in a favor from a buddy just to score some steel-cased TulAmmo. Fortunately, that shortage didn’t last long around here, and by the time I was able to get to the range, I found about 100 rounds of 115-grain TulAmmo BrassMaxx. For carry, I snagged some 147-grain Remington Golden Sabers.

First Impressions:
1) It feels weird in my hand. I’m much more accustomed to all-steel pistols. I CC’d a full-sized steel pistol for a couple of years. By comparison, the G19 feels top-heavy. It wants to flip and flop left and right. There’s no counterbalance to the steel slide in the (very) lightweight polymer frame. At least, that was my impression when I first pulled it out of the case. I also discovered that it’s a self-correcting issue. As soon as you put in a fully loaded magazine, the balance feels just fine.
2) The factory night sights are nice and bright. When I did the proverbial Bathroom Night Sight Test, they’re easy to pick up.
3) The grip feels good. The size is just about right, and I have hands that I’d rank on the small side of medium. I tried both of the backstraps, but finally decided that I’m best off without them installed. If I have even the medium backstrap on the pistol, I have to shift the gun in my grip to hit the mag release.
4) Finish: I’m a long-time fan of zero-maintenance finishes. Nickel and blued guns are pretty, but I have neither the time nor the inclination to put in the work necessary to keep them shiny. The G19 is an even flat black. Despite my initial feeling that the polymer frame messes up the balance of the gun, I realize that, perhaps, I could come to like the polymer frame for the same reason that I like zero-maintenance finishes. The finish on the slide is not as tough as I expected it to be, however. After about 4 months of carry, I started noticing that the finish on the extractor had worn off. Personally, I find holster wear to be sexy, so it didn’t bother me. I just didn’t expect it to happen quite so fast, given the Glock reputation.

Cleaning!
Prior to this particular pistol, my only two experiences with Glock had been: (a) the loaner that I carried for a period of weeks; and (b) shooting one magazine of .40 out of a buddy’s G23 at the range. I’d certainly never stripped one for cleaning. Still, it had to be done. I don’t like having to pull a trigger in the house . . . for any reason, and that includes field stripping a pistol. Still, it had to be done, so I checked the chamber about 7 times, decided that the gun really was empty, and that it really was OK to pull the trigger. Now, I may have mentioned this before, but I’ll say it again: I am “mechanically reclined.” Aside from a cosmetic restoration of a 1965 Ford Mustang many, many years ago, I don’t really get along with machines that need fixing. I’ve been working to improve on that, but I’m just not a natural with a wrench. As a result, it took me a few tries to get the slide “just so” with the doohickeys on the sides (that’s the technical term) pulled down just right to get the slide off. But after a few minutes, off it came. At that point, I realized that this was really Field Stripping for Dummies. I suppose you could fully disassemble it into however many parts it has, but the G19 basically pops apart into 4 parts: slide, barrel, recoil spring assembly, and grip. Since I didn’t clean the magazine as part of the process, I ignored it for counting purposes. There weren’t any small, easily-lost parts and it would be really difficult to get any of the parts put back in the wrong way.

Range Day!
I took the 50 rounds of steel-cased TulAmmo & 100 rds of BrassMaxx and some Remington Golden Sabers out. The first shot went bang, and I immediately had a failure to feed. That was disappointing, but in all fairness, the FTF was totally due to the ammo. After the first round, the bullet in the second round separated from the case when the nose hit the feed ramp, dumping powder down into everything below it, and jamming. After that, I had zero malfunctions that day. Instances of Brass-To-Face Syndrome: Zero. I didn’t measure any of my groups, but bullets went where I pointed, and any inconsistencies could just as easily have been attributable to the shooter. I went thought most if not all of the 150 rounds of FMJ that I took to the range that day, as well as a magazine's worth of Golden Sabers. The G19 ate them indiscriminately. I did not have another hiccup.

Recoil is perfectly manageable. It never did kick real hard, but there’s a noticeable difference between the 115-grain FMJs and the 147-grain Golden Sabers. Shooting the 115 grains was fine, but the 147-grains made it downright easy. For lack of a better phrase, the heavier bullets seemed to muffle the recoil impulse.

I’ve been back to the range three or four times with the G19 and have, oh, maybe 300-350 rounds through the G19. With the exception of that first ammo-related jam, it ran flawlessly. At the distances up to about 25 yards, accuracy was well within acceptable parameters. It put holes where I pointed it, plain and simple. I don't think I shot it beyond 25 yards, so I can't speak to its accuracy further out. Truth be told, the G19 that I took to the range may be capable of much more accuracy than I can wring out of it. I’m just not a good enough shot to tell. I never did have a single instance of BTFS, by the way.

I’ve read lots of complaints about Glock triggers. The only other Glock I’ve ever fired was a friend’s G23. The trigger on that one felt “crunchy,” like it had sand or grit down in the mechanism. (I later learned that my friend didn’t know how to field strip his Glock for cleaning, so it may well have had sand or grit in the mechanism.) The G19 trigger really isn’t bad, though. It’s certainly not in the same league with a top-of-the-line 1911, but it’s not nearly as bad as I expected, given the complaints I’ve read. It’s a trigger that I could get used to in fairly short order, even if I never came to love it.

The other comlaint I've always heard about is how "Glocks feel like 2x4s" in the shooter's hand. While I've held more comfortable grips, this one doesn't bother me. Much like the trigger, I could get used to the grip, even if I never came to love it.

Final Thoughts:
There's a certain allure to the G19's simplicity, and its utilitarian nature. I don’t want to like Glocks. I really don’t. I’m afraid that I’m beginning to understand some of the appeal, though. Just don’t tell my friends. ;)

Semi-Auto pistols For me:

80's: 1911's
90's: Glocks (I still have a box o' Glocks)
00's - present Sigs

FWIW: IN MY HANDS, Sigs are more accurate and just as reliable (100%) as Glocks.
 
I try to rotate what I carry. I have a compact 1911, Sig P938, Polymer80 (G19), Kel-Tec P3AT and PF9 and I just finished another 80% G43 that ill go into the rotation. I like having the Glock G44 and a 22 conversion slide for my 1911 so that I can get plenty of trigger time with both centerfire and rimfire ammo.

Glocks have grown on me with the Gen 5 frames. I do have to say that being a 1911 guy, I like the frame grip on the Polymer80 a little better since it is closer to the 1911 grip angle. I'm still waiting for my local shop to get the G43X in that I have been asking for.
 
I own several Glocks but they are all safe queens now except for the 10mm which I sometimes carry while hiking. I carried a G33 for several years but I just became too leery of the trigger system, both for holstering and under stress. Glocks are very functional and as reliable as a pistol can be, but I just feel better with either a long trigger stroke or a hammer. That’s why my carry pistols are two Kahrs and a CZ P07.

The P07 is the closest thing to a G19 with a hammer you can get. It’s just about perfect. The only thing better would be a double stack by Kahr IMO.
 
And I took my SS80 (G43) build to the range today to test it out. Works great and is plenty accurate within 15 yards. I was even able to make a tin can dance at 25 yards with it. Of course I had to take my G44 and Polymer80 PF940C (G19) out for some exercise too.
 
I can’t totally disagree with you but I am in the HK P2000 camp. ;)

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/5700047844?r=1740067844#1740067844
P2000 is a little thicker (not that it matters) and suffers from only a 13 round magazine in 9mm. On the plus side you can get them with a LEM trigger. If we were comparing to a Glock 23 the mag capacity is 12/13, but in 9mm the 13/15 difference seems large enough to matter to me.

I liked your comparisons. I also bought a P229, P01 and P99AS as well as a P07 and PX4 in my quest to find the best DA double stack. The top three contenders were the P01, PX4 and P07 for me. I finally settled on the P07 but occasionally I will carry the P01.
 
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