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A Gun Survey From Yale

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Chaz, Dec 28, 2003.

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  1. Chaz

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  3. Fly320s

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    Survey worked fine for me.

    It's a six page "Survey on Social Issues." Only about a page and a half is devoted to guns.
     
  4. 7.62FullMetalJacket

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    Done. Let us see if THAT fits into their demographic machinery :evil: :neener: :what:
     
  5. SMLE

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    They'll have a heck of a time trying to fit me in a pigeon hole. On some issues I'm a liberal, on other a conservative.
    You might call me a "Jeffersonian" or "Madisonian"
     
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    Filled it out, took only a couple of minutes.

    Fairly good survey, except the usual flaws of implying that the person being surveyed agrees that such and such a premise exists so then the question asks what should be done about it. If you don't believe the premise exists then whether you agree or disagree your true belief on that issue is not discerned. But that only happened on a few questions the rest were pretty well worded.
     
  7. Quartus

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    Nope. It's ALL about guns. The questions that don't directly relate to guns are just to check your demographics.
     
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    Done.

    There were some whacky questions on there though...

    "People who sleep around promiscuously are the cause of all the diseases threataning our health"?

    What..the..heck?
     
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    Jamz, you got the word order slightly wrong. It reads;

    "People who sleep around promiscuously are the cause of diseases threatening all our health."

    It's arguable -- promiscuity certainly facilitates the spread of STD's. However, we also choose whether to put ourselves at risk or not.
     
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    Just took the survey, and did not see that question on sleeping around...
     
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    Yeah, the survey I took didn't have that question either. Perhaps they change the subsequent questions based on your initial responses.
     
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    I think I crammed about 1000 words total into the various comments spaces. Let them chew on that.

    Major criticisms:
    -many vague terms used: "gun control" for instance.
    -no questions on the 2nd amendment.
    -no questions directly related to individual rights vs societal consequences in the case of firearms
    The only questions that might satisfy the last complaint were of the form "if X, Y" where X was without any rational basis.
    - no questions about what the primary purpose(s) of firearms are: hunting, self defense, defense of community, etc.

    contact info for the survey (from final/submission page)
    user: jgastil
    host: u.washington.edu
    Phone: (206) 543-4655.
    user/host separated to foil spambots. The address was user@host
     
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    All done here.
     
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    The amusing thing will be to see what conclusions are drawn.

    The bet I'm placing is:

    Rabid gun owners oblivious to dangers of unregulated business, ecological catastrophe, have no compassion or respect for diversity.
     
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    Done (and if they take the time to email me the results, I'd gladly email them my signature line ;) ). geegee
     
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    POOR questions! Few if any were phrased in a way that wasn't outcome based. They gave you a choice of being un-caring and intolerant or a nice, caring, socially compliant person. Not much there to base a valid conclusion on. I hope they don't plan on using this as a valid source of research.
     
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    done

    I took the survey. I too thought the questions were rigged. Answered honestly anyway. Had to answer a few that I had no preferences to whatsoever just so it would let me continue on.
    I didn't have any question about sleeping around either.
    I think it was slanted, but am interested in the results nuntheless.
    Joe
     
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    Don't worry, they plan on using it as "research". Valid or not.
     
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    took it. it was definitely pretty biased.
     
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    When it asked my race I ignored the question. When I went to next page it bounced back and asked me to fill in the missing part. I wrote in 'Human' since I never answer that question. I suppose it will be culled out and deleted because of that.

    The quesstions were mostly geared to getting liberals to answer the way the writers of the poll wanted IMO.

    remember this: There are LIES ,DAMNED LIES ,and STATISTICS!

    :D
     
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    Just for grins I Googled the professors name, John Gastil. Lots of hits, but mostly from book reviews.

    Got the Faculty Index page for Washignton University

    Vitae

    And his website came up
     
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    "Research Manager, Institute for Public Policy, University of New Mexico, 1994-1997."

    Hmm he's a former homey of mine. ;-)
    I'll have to have look in the UNM library to see what'ds there under his name.
     
  25. GigaBuist

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    OK, I took the survey too. I agree it was a bit biased, in that some of the questions threw a couple of ideas together that make you lean toward "gun raving lunatic" vs "strict Constitutionalist". Also found it odd that there weren't any questions about the 2nd ammendment given that it was basically a gun-feeling survey.

    Very few questions on religion too (other than asking what your religion is)... which I think is central to the RKBA argument also.

    So... we can criticize the survey. My old man has a saying, handed down from his mother, "If you don't like the way somebody else it doing it -- do it yourself!" With that in mind, what would everybody here like to see in a proper survey on people's feeling about guns?

    Remember, the idea of their survey (I feel) was to tie people's social feelings to their feelings on firearms. They leaned heavily toward "what the government should do" type of questions vs. "what would you do".... and with RKBA being a very personal thing to most of us I feel that our survey should reflect that personal vs government decision.

    For instance:

    Q: Do think the government/society as a whole has an obligation to provide for basic needs?
    Q: Have you ever given a homeless person food or money?
    Q: If not, could would you possibly do that in the future?
    Q: Do you think the government/society as a whole has an obligation to provide transportation?
    Q: Have you ever given a hitchiker a ride?
    Q: Would you ever?

    I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see that 90% of the people on THR that proclaim welfare taxes are stealing (I'm one of them) have also given money/food to homeless people.
     
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