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A hunter's lament

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by MacTech, Aug 30, 2008.

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  1. MacTech

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    A hunter's lament....

    I'm sorry, Mr. Red Fox, I'm sorry you had an early case of rabies
    I'm sorry our horses were chasing you around the pasture
    I'm sorry you chose our horse riding ring to lay down in to rest, you weren't hurting anyone
    But, we have horses here, as well as a pair of cats, and two young kids, we also teach horsemanship classes to other kids, and they swim in the pond as well, we can't be having rabid animals here, it's a safety thing
    I hope you understand

    I'm sorry I had to kill you :( but we had no choice, I wanted to make it painless, you didn't deserve to suffer

    I'm SO DAMN SORRY it took me FOUR sodding rounds to send you to a better place, I was hoping for a simple, humane one-shot-kill

    I *thought* a .22 High Velocity round would be sufficient to end your suffering, not prolong it

    I can only hope you're in a better place now, rabies-free, free to run through the fields and woods, and eat to your heart's content

    I'm so very sorry :(


    Okay, that out of the way, it's details time;

    we had a potentially rabid red fox in our field, our horses were chasing and tormenting it, my sister has a house out in our field, where she has a large barn and teaches kids horsemanship, art, and swimming in the pond, sort of a rural day camp, she also rents out stalls for other horse owners

    the fox was potentially rabid, so my sister asked me to come down and kill it while it was lying in the riding ring and resting

    I had just come back from the Rod and Gun club, where I had sighted in my Ruger 10/22 with Bushnell 3-9X scope, it was dead-on accurate, capable of shooting 1/8 to 1/4" groups, it's a tack driver

    I grabbed a box of CCI Mini-Mag High Velocity .22 rounds, went down to the riding ring, made sure the area was clear, both in front of and in back of the fox, it was curled up in the sand, resting, it's head facing me, and it's body curled around like a cat

    I centered the crosshairs between it's head and body, and fired...
    the first shot hit low center-mass, the fox was up and running, I was able to squeeze off shot #2 that hit it in the right rear leg, it dashed off into the field

    it was wounded, I had not achieved my goal of a one shot kill, I didn't want it to suffer any more than it had to, so for the next ten minutes I combed the field with the help of my sis and mother, they were working to flush the fox out to me

    it got up agan, in a mad dash towards the main house, I shouldered the rifle, led the fox, and squeezed off round #3

    It hit home, causing the fox to somersault in the air and land in the tall grass, it then slunk away to hide, and another ten minutes elapsed before we found it, worn out, panting, tired and in obvious pain

    it was heartbreaking, I respect all animal life, and hate to see an animal suffer, seeing the suffering *I* had caused was inexcusable, but at least the fight had left the fox, it laid there, resigned to it's fate, looking up at me with an expression of "Why?" on it's tiny, pain-wracked face

    I couldn't take it any more, as i covered it's head with the muzzle of my Ruger, I said "I'm sorry, buddy, I'm really sorry, I didn't want to do this"

    ...i fired....

    ...the fox finally lay still, at rest....

    ...three rounds more than necessary....

    ....I had failed as a hunter...


    Using this as a learning experience, I have determined that;

    1; the .22LR is *USELESS* for a *HUMANE* kill on anything larger than a gray squirrel

    2; Headshots are notoriously difficult to achieve

    3; Foxes are some dammned tough animals

    4; our horses are unfazed by the sound of a .22LR High-Velocity round going off close to them, so that means I can use my home .22 target range again

    5; scopes make it difficult to re-acquire a fast-moving target
     
  2. ANDROTAZ

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    Damn, man...almost brought tears to my eyes to read. It's happened to all of us, and I hate it. I hate to see an animal suffer.
     
  3. Aran

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    #4 is a great piece of information, and says good things about your horses' temperament.
     
  4. MacTech

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    Aran that's true, it shows that these horses have a nice stable temperment, perfect for when kids are riding them

    on a lighter note;
    It was funny, walking back through the barn after killing the fox, a couple horses were in their stalls, normally they're very freindly, sticking out their heads to ask for scritches and the like, as I walked through the barn, rifle held low, pointing at the concrete, *every* horse ran to the back of their stall as I passed them, it's like i was Death or something

    I guess they were sensing my depression about the fox

    I'm still depressed about having to kill the poor thing, I keep telling myself I had no choice, what if the fox bit one of our cats, my sister's mini Dachsund, one of the horses, or Og forbid, one of the kids....

    still, I feel like I should just lock up my rifle, and never go shooting again, if I can't make a simple one-shot-kill on a fox, I have no reason to consider myself a hunter

    ...then again, this *was* my first actual "hunt", maybe I'm being too hard on myself, but I can't help feeling that I'm a failure as a hunter
     
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    You're not - you just didn't bring enough gun.

    Now you know. Get yourself a proper varmint rifle.
     
  6. Blackbeard

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    I ain't got no rabies, you big dummy!
     
  7. Elza

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    This is the main reason I don’t hunt. If I were ever to wound an animal I would have a tough time getting over it.

    I have three dogs, five cats, and eight ferrets. I kinda like animals. :D
     
  8. MacTech

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    Okay, here's what I have available to me for arms and calibers;

    .22;
    Ruger 10/22 Carbine with Bushnell 3-9X
    H&R Single Shot (iron sights)
    Ammo;CCI CB Long, Aprilla Colibiri, Federal bulk pack, Winchester Wildcat High Velocity, CCI Mini-Mag, all solid-points

    9mm;
    Taurus PT-99 AF
    Ammo; Speer Gold Dot 124 grain GDHP in standard and +P, Winchester White Box FMJ and WinClean BEB, Federal American Eagle FMJ

    12-gauge;
    Mossberg Model 500 12-gauge, 28" barrel with Modified AccuChoke choke ring
    Parker VH grade 12-gauge side-by-side
    Ammo; Federal 7.5 Birdshot, Remington 00 Buck, Federal 4 Buck and 000 Buck, Remington Copper Solid saboted slug (need to get a rifled barrel for this one) Brenneke Black Magic Short Magnum rifled slug

    Other pertinent info; there are a good 8 or 9 horses at my sister's barn, they were unfazed by the Ruger firing CCI Minimags, I have no idea how they'd react to anything bigger though, I'm sure my 9mm would scare the crap out of them, as would the 12-gauge

    I need both one-shot-stop killing power for animals coyote/coy-dog size and smaller, and relatively quiet noise levels (yes I know, difficult to do) we also have a family of deer on the property, and the land is posted no-hunting, but as it's our property, we can hunt there, the size range of potential huntable animals goes from whitetail deer down to fox size, since we see the deer as essentially wild pets, I would only hunt them if it was absolutely neccesary, in a TSHTF type situation, so, I'm looking Coy-Dog size and below

    I'm also a big believer in Clint Smith's philosophy of "use the gun you got", I'd prefer not to have to purchase another firearm unless absolutely neccesary, I am missing a decent midrange hunting arm in my collection though, maybe I should just get a rifled slug barrel for my Mossy 500 and be done with it, shoot saboted slugs out of it

    I like the NEF .243 single shot, but is .243 too small of a caliber for deer-sized animals, assuming correct shot placement? I'm assuming that had I used a .243 on the fox it would have taken one shot
     
  9. Hoppy590

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    Blackbeard- best response.

    i agree you shouldnt feel bad. you didnt have enough gun, it happens. the fact you feel bad about the animals suffering means youl probibly be a good hunter. maybe not always a successfully hunter, but a good one. :neener:
     
  10. ANDROTAZ

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    Absolutely not. I shoot a .25-06, killed my first deer with a Sako .243. If you just want a varmint rifle, though...you can just grab something in .223
     
  11. BADUNAME37

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    Perfect case where "overkill" is better than "underkill."

    People used to ask me why I use a 22-250 on woodchucks.

    Bang, they're dead.

    I'm sorry for your story. :eek:

    You did the right thing.

    Are you certain you (or anyone else) didn't get any saliva on yourself?
    If so, have the head sent in for rabies testing, and possibly get regimen of rabies vaccinations.
     
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  12. Treo

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    What made you think the fox had Rabies?

    I've missed shots like that it's a heart breaker and probably the reason I no longer hunt.
     
  13. Savage Shooter

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    I wouldn't use a .243 for a fox myself it's a little large for a fox in my opinon I'd use a .22mag (quieter). A .243 however is a great deer rifle if thats what your after it can be used for foxes i'd get lighter loads so it won't do to much damage to the pelt(I am assuming you are keeping the pelts here:scrutiny: and are worried about hide damage If not forget everything i said above) If you want a cheap centerfire rifle for varmints get the NEF .223 handi rifle buddy has one and loves it.
     
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    If you are an excellent shot with a 22 magnum, then that's all you need.

    However, if it is a neck shot (as it sounded like the OP stated), then the 243 would have taken most of its head off. I realize this sounds gross, but the animal would have felt very little.
     
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    Don't beat yourself up over it.

    If we've hunted at all or shot game at all, then we've all seen it happen.
     
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    "I can't help feeling that I'm a failure as a hunter"

    "You're not - you just didn't bring enough gun.
    Now you know. Get yourself a proper varmint rifle."
    rbernie
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    I couldn't agree more.
    The fact that you CARE means more than what happened!
     
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    Sorry that happened, I guess thats why I am glad I have a 6.5x55 - yes it is overkill for a rabid dog or fox, but it better to be overkill then underkill.
     
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    You have a heart, and do not care to see animals suffer. I would say that you will make a fine hunter.

    Bring enough gun next time, though.

    -Jdude
     
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    Knowing when and where to shoot an animal is the most important thing a true hunter can learn.

    I'd say you were irresponsible for not knowing the when and where of hunting.

    Many a good hunter has given up prime trophy's because they didn't have the proper when. And in doing so have earned the respect of good hunters.
     
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    MacTech.......

    Did you use the same ammo to shoot the fox that you just got done using to sight in your gun at the range?

    You probably already know this, but different bullets many times have different points of impact and some are accurate while others might shoot all over the side of the "barn door."
     
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    .22LR can be used with great effect on things larger than a squirrel, but its effectiveness depends largely on placement. I took out a groundhog at 40 yards with a shot right behind the ear- turned it off like a switch. But anything larger than that and I'd be wanting a larger round.
     
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    The 12 guage was your best option IMO. Tshot through 6 shot for fox or smaller. Slugs or buckshot for coyote. Do some patterning around the property to guage your horses reactions and get them used to the noise. Start further out and gradually move closer. They may kick up their heels and snort and stomp but it generally takes a blind panic to get them to run through a fence. They'll acclimate to the sound over time. Any centerfire will spook em more than the 12 IMO, unless you use a can (if its legal.)
     
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    I like 30/30 for farm use, based upon what I've seen. It has more than enough power for deer, can be loaded for varmint with 125gr HPs, and in general doesn't make too much noise and doesn't have too flat of a trajectory to be a risk to the surrounding environs.

    I have a H&R HandiRifle in 30/30 that is, IMO, the perfect tractor gun.
     
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    I'm not sure if the fox was rabid, but it was behaving unusually....

    it was being chased by horses, they were driving it away
    it was lying in the sand of the riding ring when I set up my first shot
    the fox was approx. 45-50 yards away, and showed no signs of wariness of humans, it was lying down, resting

    when I made the final shot to the fox at point-blank range, it did not seem agressive or make any move to attack, in fact it struggled to get away initially, then just gave up and lay there

    I saw no foam in it's mouth, it just looked tired, and resigned to it's fate (dammit, I'm getting dust in my eyes agin!), it looked at me, as if to ask "why?" then laid down to await the inevitable outcome

    we did not touch the body, it was moved into the bucket of our tractor with a shovel, and was buried deep in the woods

    hmm, hunting tractors, now there's a prey I could hunt without any reservations, what call do you use for tractors, what bait do they prefer?, here, tractor tractor tractor, got some nice fresh diesel for you!
     
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