gcrookston
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It will group better than you or I. @ 15 yrds it will X ring. They are extremely accurate, though the combat trigger pull prevents them from match grade.
A look at a surplus Sig P6
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rcmodel
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A $4 buck P225 hammer spring from Brownell's makes them a P-225 trigger pull.
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rellascout
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No it doesn't.
There are quiet a few other things that make a P225 different then a P6. Teh P6 is a good value at $300 but it is not a P225. Rellascout
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Whatever.
It's still a nice improvent for $4 bucks!
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4437189&postcount=1
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It's still a nice improvent for $4 bucks!
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4437189&postcount=1
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rellascout
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I agree with that. Anyone buying a P6 should change out the hammer and recoil springs IMHO.
The spring will make the pull lighter it will not smooth out a trigger. The lighter pull is often perceived as smoother but without cleaning up of the internals it cannot get smoother.
The spring will make the pull lighter it will not smooth out a trigger. The lighter pull is often perceived as smoother but without cleaning up of the internals it cannot get smoother.
Dionysusigma
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I think we found one o' them "purists!"
What other differences are there?
Was thinking of doing a "Magic Slurry" on mine, but am unsure of whether to go to Sig to get it refinished, or to have it Duracoated locally. What do y'all think? Slurry would come after refinishing, and possibly a spring change, too.
Also, why does it say "Made in W. Germany" on the slide as opposed to "Gebildet in der Bundesrepublik Deutschland" or something?
I picked up a P6 as a training gun. It looks like Jack Bauer's gun from 24, so n00bs feel like they're shooting something "real" (you scoff, but I've had two new shooters comment on that- "hey! It's Jack's gun!" ), it is a real pussycat in 9mm, it fits most people's hands, you can really feel the difference between DA and SA (which is useful for instructional purposes), it's cheap to feed, and the finish is pre-worn, so if the student scuffs something, you really don't care (well, about the gun, anyway...if a new student is scuffing the gun they're doing something wrong safety-wise).
In short, it's the perfect introductory autoloader.
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), it is a real pussycat in 9mm, it fits most people's hands, you can really feel the difference between DA and SA (which is useful for instructional purposes), it's cheap to feed, and the finish is pre-worn, so if the student scuffs something, you really don't care (well, about the gun, anyway...if a new student is scuffing the gun they're doing something wrong safety-wise).In short, it's the perfect introductory autoloader.
Mike
when our department first went to sig, we used the 225 in the academy for the same reason.
fits most hands and recoil didn't intimidate new shooters...i wished i'd gotten one when they traded them in
fits most hands and recoil didn't intimidate new shooters...i wished i'd gotten one when they traded them in
Sooooo...different weight springs, and that hook thing on the hammer. Are there any other differences between a German issue P6 and a real honest to goodness blood-royal P225?
Several years ago I bought a P225 for $450. Good price for a gun of this quality, I can't praise this thing enough, but that's beside the point... I was told it was a P6, German police surplus, and it looks exactly like these P6s now on the market - holster wear and that's about it. But it's got a solid hammer, and no markings aside from Sig-Sauer and importer stuff.
So, I'm curious whether I should keep carrying this thing or throw it out before the touch of a non-genuine Sig gives me AIDS?
Several years ago I bought a P225 for $450. Good price for a gun of this quality, I can't praise this thing enough, but that's beside the point... I was told it was a P6, German police surplus, and it looks exactly like these P6s now on the market - holster wear and that's about it. But it's got a solid hammer, and no markings aside from Sig-Sauer and importer stuff.
So, I'm curious whether I should keep carrying this thing or throw it out before the touch of a non-genuine Sig gives me AIDS?
rcmodel
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A P6 says P6 on the slide, and a P225 says P225.
But it very well could be a German Police surplus P225.
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But it very well could be a German Police surplus P225.
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Bullet Bob
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Yes, about $300.00
atblis
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Yeah
What are they then? Make a list!
rellascout
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As general rule I love W. German made Sigs more than anything currently in production. Sig has lost its touch since moving its production to Exeter IHMO. The new P220 external extractor even has issues so the fit to their most recent known issue is not even a real fix but that is for another thread. The W. German origin and its rock bottom price are the biggest pluses to the P6 IMHO.
Well for starters the P6 was made in W. German to fire ball ammo. It was not made to reliability feed US hollow points. Earlier models will not feed reliably and since these are trade ins the chance of getting a parts gun is much higher so date codes do not tell the whole story. Serial numbers starting with K are more likely to feed hollows.
Now I know there will be thousands of new P6 owners saying they feed just fine but why use something for a defense gun that was not designed for that purpose with JHP.
Second the fit and finish of these guns are not a shining example of what Sig can do. They are not up to the level of the Commercial P225. This is the real issue IMHO. They just are not as smooth. Internally they are not as nice.
Third the trigger spring is 3-4 pounds heavier in both DA/SA modes Yes people replace the recoil springs and other springs and that helps. The problem I see is that you end up with lighter but certainly not smoother trigger, see point #2. Most P6s I have held and shot needed a trigger job to get to real Sig standards.
Fourth the Hammer with its notch design. This was requested so the German police armorer would know if someone dropped their gun.
Sights are also different IIRC.
In the end I am not going to have this discussion again. I believe the info I have given is correct and many other Sig owners agree your milage may vary.
Well for starters the P6 was made in W. German to fire ball ammo. It was not made to reliability feed US hollow points. Earlier models will not feed reliably and since these are trade ins the chance of getting a parts gun is much higher so date codes do not tell the whole story. Serial numbers starting with K are more likely to feed hollows.
Now I know there will be thousands of new P6 owners saying they feed just fine but why use something for a defense gun that was not designed for that purpose with JHP.
Second the fit and finish of these guns are not a shining example of what Sig can do. They are not up to the level of the Commercial P225. This is the real issue IMHO. They just are not as smooth. Internally they are not as nice.
Third the trigger spring is 3-4 pounds heavier in both DA/SA modes Yes people replace the recoil springs and other springs and that helps. The problem I see is that you end up with lighter but certainly not smoother trigger, see point #2. Most P6s I have held and shot needed a trigger job to get to real Sig standards.
Fourth the Hammer with its notch design. This was requested so the German police armorer would know if someone dropped their gun.
Sights are also different IIRC.
In the end I am not going to have this discussion again. I believe the info I have given is correct and many other Sig owners agree your milage may vary.
atblis
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Yeah well
Still sounds like a contract 225 to me. I don't like SIGs, and wouldn't pay for a commercial 225. I have 3 P6s because they're cheap.
Some points I wonder about.
Yeah there are some differences, but they seem rather trivial. The P6 is a contract 225. Who cares?
Still sounds like a contract 225 to me. I don't like SIGs, and wouldn't pay for a commercial 225. I have 3 P6s because they're cheap.
Some points I wonder about.
Okay, but what about the early commercial 225s? Did they have the same feed ramp? Seems like it might just be an early SIG thing rather than a P6 thing. They did later revise it. I would wager 225s changed about the same time.
Compared to other SIGs I've played with, they seem about par for the course. The finishes are utilitarian, sure. The internals look like normal sig parts to me. May I am not looking hard enough. Truthfully, I am a CZ guy. Most likely I'll never be able to appreciate the work of art that a true SIG is. Mehh.
Asides from the heavier springs (which I've replaced), the triggers feel just like some other commercial SIGs I've shot. Some are crappy, some are better. Not a fan of SIG triggers anyways.
Yeah there are some differences, but they seem rather trivial. The P6 is a contract 225. Who cares?
One of you mentioned that +pDT hps would make for a good loading in this little gem...just outof curiosity ( never having owned a SIG);what is the durability of the alloy framed SIGS,especially since (AFAIK) the P6 has a stamped slide????I know the Euros load their ammo a bit on th ewarm side ;but I was considering this for a pocket rocket myself...
highorder
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People who paid top dollar for a "hard to find" P225, that's who.
But we shouldn't do this all over again.
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Months later, thanks to the OP for this very good post.
I decided against a P6 and got a W German stamped slide P226 in excellent condition for $500 as my first Sig and my first 9mm.
After comparing the two in a gun shop, I figured for an extra $200 I could have the extra capacity and plenty of mags to choose from. The size was not that much different.
I've jumped on the milsurp handgun bandwagon before, getting a Bulgie Markarov and a CZ-52. I didn't want to have another novelty pistol that I was not completely comfortable with for CCW or home defense.
No offense, just another point of view for those considering.
After comparing the two in a gun shop, I figured for an extra $200 I could have the extra capacity and plenty of mags to choose from. The size was not that much different.
I've jumped on the milsurp handgun bandwagon before, getting a Bulgie Markarov and a CZ-52. I didn't want to have another novelty pistol that I was not completely comfortable with for CCW or home defense.
No offense, just another point of view for those considering.
CCR
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For the price of a Sig P6 you can't go wrong. It is one of the best values I have seen in twenty years.
Dionysusigma
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Re-asking my question from before... why does it say "Made in W. Germany" on the slide as opposed to "Gebildet in der Bundesrepublik Deutschland" or something?
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