I still like the 870 from a design standpoint. The quality suffered for quite some time, but I bought one of the new ones in 20 ga early in 2023 and it has been a good one.
I gave up on everything else years ago. Even if they get the quality back there are simply better designs. Now, if they get their R&D people to work and come up with something new and innovative, I might be interested.
Remington doesn't make those, or even own the rights to produce Remington Ammunition. They lost all that in bankruptcy number 2. Federal bought all Remington ammo facilities, names and rights.I would be delighted to buy a bunch of Remington #10 percussion caps. I will use their availability as an indication that Remington has seen the light.
Bingo!Remington lost the entire R&D group in Huntsville when the company collapsed. They have all been swallowed up by the Defense and Space industry here and the few willing to move (again) have already moved onto other gun companies. How are you going to attract firearms engineers to a state like New York? Before D'Arcy killed Remington it was easy since Remington's R&D was in Kentucky for years before it moved to Huntsville in 2015. Both of those states were easy to get firearms engineers to move to, New York not so much.
D'Arcy also has no interest in new products. He is a prime example of a FUDD. He, and by extension, RemArms LLC will be content to keep making 870's and 700 and have no interest in being innovative. Remember D'Arcy is the CEO that chose to close Bushmaster and DPMS in late 2019 with 2020 an election year. Making AR-15's in an election year is like printing money and yet he choose (pressured by the banks/owners???) to close Bushmaster and DPMS in late 2019 despite the poor financial condition of the company and the fact that other than Marlin Darks the only thing being profitable for the company.
Remington doesn't make those, or even own the rights to produce Remington Ammunition. They lost all that in bankruptcy number 2. Federal bought all Remington ammo facilities, names and rights.
Sierra bought Barnes bullets.
End of story for Remington ammo
Remington ammo is still around. In fact, it's just ramping up production after the ownership changeover. It's still made at the same plants, and as far as I know..many of the same people.Dang. Thanks for the education. I guess I quit cowboy action black powder competition at the right time. Remington percussion caps and STS shotshell hulls were my standards. Sad to have good products no longer available.
I'd sure like to see Remington come back out with their .22LR "Yellow Jacket" HPs. Those things really make messes of ground squirrels out to about 80 yards or so, and they run real well in the .22 LR rifles and handguns my wife and I have been slewing ground squirrels with during the past couple of springs.I don't buy factory ammo at all anymore outside rim fire stuff.
If those are the facts, something smells rotten.After the second bankruptcy ended Remington Outdoor Company . Ken D'Arcy with the help of a friend buys the Ilion facility out of the bankruptcy for only 13 million dollars. Ilion is a 1 million sq ft facility and this included all the machines (except a few of those that went to Ruger). There is more than 13 mil in hammer forges on the first floor of one building (there are at least 16 buildings at Ilion). Ruger pay over 30 million for Marlin and only got the trademark/copyright, some technical data packages, and a handful of machines from Ilion and Huntsville. Sierra bought Barnes for over 30 million for a small 50,000 sq ft facility that makes bullet and has limited ammunition production. 13 million was a song and now he gets to be the FUDD CEO of the "new" Remington.