A MN paper actually presenting a balanced view on offenders?!?!

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For those of you who haven't been aware of it... the North Country (North Dakota, Minnesota, and Wisconsin) has been in an uproar over sex offenders since a particularly brutal rape and murder a little more than a year ago. This morning coming home from work, I found something that shocked me. The local lib paper, which until now has been all too willing to go along with the lynch mob mentality that's been the norm up here since Dru Sjodin's murder, actually did a piece from the side of the people who work with and treat offenders from a living. Since I have 3 sex offenders in my immediate family, this has been a topic I have followed closely for as long as I can remember. The person interviewed is the head of the treatment team that handles the northern half of the state of MN, so, this is an expert opinion type deal. I know you all will form your own opinions on the issue, but I thought no matter what your feelings, it would be interesting to hear from a professional who deals with offenders constantly.

The article is from the Bemidji Pioneer, http://www.bemidjipioneer.com/main.asp?SectionID=3&SubSectionID=83

*puts flameproof suit on*

Scheela promotes reason in dealing with sex offenders
Wednesday, February 09, 2005

By Laurie Swenson
Staff Writer
[email protected]


For some sex offenders, incarceration is the right answer, but it shouldn’t be the only answer for all offenders, Riki Scheela told about 200 people who attended Tuesday night’s Honors Lecture at Bemidji State University.

Scheela, who chairs the BSU Nursing Department, has worked with sex offenders since 1987. She runs the Sexual Abuse Treatment Program at the Upper Mississippi Mental Health Center. Her topic Tuesday night was “Realities, Research and Reasoned Responses to Sex Offenders.â€


“Locking them up and throwing away the key is not going to solve the problem,†said Scheela.


Some people think that treatment programs such as the one Scheela runs are a slap on the wrist, but she says that’s far from the truth. “It’s extremely difficult for them to tell what they did,†she said, “They also have to tell about their own experience as children.†Some offenders have asked to go to prison instead because treatment was so painful.


An offender is typically in treatment for two years or more. The process is very focused. Offenders must do oral and written disclosures of their crimes, write and share an autobiography of more than 60 pages, complete a 27-page sexual history inventory, write apology letters to all victims, write empathy documents in which the offender writes from the victims’ perspectives, identify an abuse cycle and come up with a safe plan that addresses the elements of the abuse cycle, and pass a polygraph test (paid for by the offender).


Group treatment is a major focus of the program, which also stresses education and support. The program utilizes the services of a wide variety of trained people: social workers, psychologists and clergy members, for example, as well as Specialized Sex Offender Agents, probation officers who work specifically with sex offenders.


Scheela said the recidivism rate for offenders who complete the program is less than 5 percent. She also noted that recidivism rates for sex offenders are lower than many people think. In 1997-99, the re-arrest rate for sex offenders in Minnesota was 3 percent for Level One offenders, 4 percent for Level 2, and 8 percent for Level 3.


The types of crimes committed by sex offenders are extremely diverse, Scheela said, and their motivation is equally varied. Some sexually abuse because they feel inadequate, or were sexually abused themselves and choose victims of the same age they were when they were victimized. Others are motivated to hurt and frighten people.


“There is a huge spectrum of people,†Scheela said. “Some are very treatable. Some we don’t know how to treat and should be kept out of society.â€


Scheela recognizes that treating sex offenders with respect may be offensive to some, in a social environment of fear, mistrust and sometimes vengeful reactions. But, she said, research shows that sex offenders who are treated like human beings are more likely to act like human beings.


“The philosophy of this program is this is learned behavior and they can unlearn it,†Scheela said. “They’ve done terrible things, but they are not terrible people.â€


The causes of sexual abuse and assault are incredibly complex, she said, and people should be suspicious of simplistic answers.


A variety of sociocultural, family and individual factors can contribute to someone becoming a sex offender. Ninety percent of sex offenders in prison have themselves been sexually abused, Scheela said, adding that many have been victims of physical abuse, neglect and abandonment as well.


People need to recognize that men can be victims, and women can be offenders, Scheela said, noting that males and females are abused at the same rate until puberty. After puberty, abuse tends to be sexual more often for females and physical more often for males.


It’s not always the guy lurking in the bushes, she said. “It could be the pastor, priest, coach, teacher, babysitter, grandma.â€


Scheela identified what she calls Scheela’s Remodeling Process, the vocabulary of which comes from offenders with whom she worked, and is likened to a remodeling of a building.


The stages are Falling Apart, Taking On, Tearing Out, Rebuilding, Doing the Upkeep, and Moving On. The process results in someone who is not new, but is remodeled, changed.


“The old me is always there,†one offender once told Scheela.


The process came from interviewing 20 offenders, after listening to people saying that all offenders were remorseless, proud of what they did, and didn’t care about their victims.


âThat wasn’t what I was seeing,†she said. “I felt we should ask them.â€
 
Keep in mind that some states make all kind of acts "sex offenise". In at least two states a husband and wife commits a felony if they do centain acts in thier own home.

Or what about an 18 y/o kid having sex with his 16 y/o GF?

-Bill
 
But, she said, research shows that sex offenders who are treated like human beings are more likely to act like human beings.

And when sex offenders are put down like so many rabid dogs, especially the ones who abuse children, there will be a zero recidivism rate.

Seriously, anyone who preys on another via their sexual parts should be facing at the minimum, a scalpel to their privates and treatment, if not a death sentence.

There is just no excusing or sophisticated enough sophistry that can cover for certain behaviors.
 
You know, recently I have reconsidered my position on the death penalty. I have come to realize that death is an easy way out for these people. We should make them work 13 hours a day of hard labor the rest of their lives. It should be life in prison, working in a chain gang, no TV, no probation, nothing.

I'm sorry but if you are a level three sex offender, you should not be unleashed on the public. Especially if these people are likely to have another re-offense. It's unfortunate our system does not have the money to keep these people in prison. I love the logic of "well I was abused as a child so I can't help it if I raped a 3 year old".

Read the profiles on these scum bags and tell me again that they're the victims.
http://www.doc.state.mn.us/level3/SearchResults.asp?SearchType=County&CountyCD=27

For the lazy here's some random cut and pastes
The offender has a history of breaking into adult females homes and physically and sexually assaulting them. The sexual contact includes forced penetration. The offender has been known and unknown to the victims.
Offender has a history of sexual contact with minor females (ranging in age from 10-12). The contact includes fondling and penetration. Offender was known to one victim and had a significant relationship to the other victim.
Offender has a history of forced sexual contact with females (ranging in age from 15 to adult). The contact includes fondling and penetration. The offender has used physical force to gain compliance. The offender was known and unknown to the victims.

If you act like an animal you should be treated as such.
 
Keep in mind that some states make all kind of acts "sex offenise". In at least two states a husband and wife commits a felony if they do centain acts in thier own home.
Please state the case where someone actually went to jail for this.
 
I have a hard time feeling sorry for sex offenders. Especially the level 3 guys. They are so screwed up I can't see letting them back into society. The article say they only commit crime again 8 percent of the time, but in reality that 8% is if they get caught and convicted! I bet if you looked at the alleged crimes those level 3 guys commited it would be a lot higher.
 
let's try and take these one at a time...

Thank you guys for your honest feedback. I'll try and do everyone's posts some justice. I'm not trying to offend people. But, again, w/ friends and family members guilty of these crimes, I've had a lot of time to think things through.


Sturmruger, you said:
I have a hard time feeling sorry for sex offenders. Especially the level 3 guys. They are so screwed up I can't see letting them back into society. The article say they only commit crime again 8 percent of the time, but in reality that 8% is if they get caught and convicted! I bet if you looked at the alleged crimes those level 3 guys commited it would be a lot higher.

Actually, most states have what are called 'maintenance polygraphs'. That means that every year these guys are sat down hooked to a lie detector, and asked "Have you committed any new sex crimes?"

As far as alleged crimes, well, this is a forum about civil rights as well as gun ownership. I'd hate to think we're advocating throwing out the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty' simply because we find people offensive. If our civil rights only extend to people we approve of, then we're no different from the lynch mobs of the past or the enemies of our countries jumping up and down in the streets and rejoicing at the deaths of our civilians. 'Cause, after all, we disgust them, so why should they have to treat us as human beings?

I'm sorry but if you are a level three sex offender, you should not be unleashed on the public. Especially if these people are likely to have another re-offense. It's unfortunate our system does not have the money to keep these people in prison. I love the logic of "well I was abused as a child so I can't help it if I raped a 3 year old".

I've never encountered anyone other than a defense lawyer using that argument, and they'd argue that the alignment of planets was at fault if they thought they could get away with it. I've spoken w/ Riki Scheela on several occasions. And her actual take on that train of thought is that no matter what has happened to us in our childhood, we are responsible for how we deal with it. She's not arguing that people who commit sex offences should not accept the consequences of their crimes, but that there are mitigating factors in many if not most sex offences.

Also, it's true that the level 3 category is the highest, but there is a wide range of ways to get that level three. Someone with a history of a dozen violent and forcible rapes will have the same level three rating as a sex offender who has committed, say, a teenager w/ a sixteen year old girlfriend, but who has been found drunk twice while on probation.

And when sex offenders are put down like so many rabid dogs, especially the ones who abuse children, there will be a zero recidivism rate.

Seriously, anyone who preys on another via their sexual parts should be facing at the minimum, a scalpel to their privates and treatment, if not a death sentence.

I'm going move past the whole mutilation argument. They hung Nazis as war criminals for that sort of thing. While I'm in favor of the death penalty, I cannot condone human rights violations and crimes against humanity in the name of justice. Torture and mutilation are illegal.

Also, many sex offenders do not offend out of sexual drive. The article states that there are a variety of reasons. One sex offender whose name I won't include, was biologically incapable of any sexual drive or function due to a life-long illness. That did not prevent him from fondling girls out of curiosity. Castration and mutilation simply won't solve those sorts of cases.

Here are a few of the problems I have with summary death sentences: First of all, they are irrevocable. Innocent people can and have been freed after being convicted of crimes they did not commit, including people on death row. Secondly, many people here have expressed circumstances that are considered sex offenses that they do not even consider crimes: Urination in public I think was discussed just two days ago. So, if all sex offenders should be 'put down like dogs', then someone who got drunk and peed in public, exposing himself, would be dead.

Let me make myself clear: Sexual offending is a heinous and damaging crime. I think I've made it clear in other posts that it can never be condoned. But I'm taking the time to argue here because I love my country too much not to speak out. No one spoke out for the gypsies and homosexuals in Germany when they were carted off. They were hated and reviled in the same way we hate and revile sex offenders. By the standards of that society, they WERE sex offenders. But what I must argue against is the lynch mob mentality that will strip a human being of their inalienable rights. Not only do I find this unacceptable for religious reasons, but once we have accepted that a particular group is not worthy of treatment as human beings, the temptation to extend that circle of non-humanity just a little bit more the next time leads to a slippery downward slope. The Terror of the french revolution, the Stalinist purges in Russia, and the Holocaust are each built on exactly this sort of thinking. No one spoke up in time in those places. America is far too precious to me to abide the same thing happening here.

But, if the concepts of human rights, the constitution, and other such trivialities are as meaningless as they are beginning to sound, allow me to throw one practical argument out about automatic lifetime sentences and death penalties:

In order to enforce the law, we must be able to discover wrongdoing. The majority of sex offenses are committed by family members and close acquaintences of the victims. In order for justice to be done, (as it should and must be,) and in order for the victims of sex crimes to recieve help, support, and treatment, (as they should and must recieve), sex crimes need to be reported. If an innocent child must condemn their father, brother, sister, or mother to death in order to get help, do you honestly believe that they would tell anyone? If their boyfriend, best friend, uncle, or whatever would be tortured, mutilated, or die, do you honestly believe that victims (again, who deserve justice and deserve help and support to heal and move on) will get the help they need at that cost? How many more people would suffer in silence under that system, to protect their loved ones instead of allowing both parties to get help, hope, and healing, as is possible with treatment plans?

IMHO, automatic life sentences, mutilation, and automatic death penalties is a surefire way to ensure that thousands upon thousands will suffer in silence instead of getting help that is waiting for them.
 
For thoughts on the usefulness of polygraphs, I commend to you the current issue of Skeptical Inquirer (the journal of CSICOP.)

Frankly all the evidence seems to indicated that polygraphs are worse than useless, with results almost entirely based on the biases of the testers.

No thanks.

And the idea that someone with enough guile and little enough soul to prey on children can be reformed by making him write accounts from those childrens' points of view is ludicrous--let alone her assertion that the abusers are punished sufficiently by having to "tell about what they did."

I'm sorry, I can't go along with that.
 
dehumanization and violence.

From what I understand of the treatment process, it has nothing to do with punishment. That is what the sentences are for. The disclosure and empathy documents she is talking about are about the dehumanization required for violence et cetera.

Anyone familiar with military history of the past few centuries should be able to understand this. In order to harm others, they must be dehumanized in the mind of the person doing violence. They must become targets and not people.

After civil war battles, they would find men with their entire rifle barrels stuffed with wadding. Unable to fire on fellow human beings, the soldiers had stood in line, not retreated, but simply reloaded and reloaded without ever firing. Shortly after this military training began to incorporate things to assist soldiers be able to fire upon the enemy.

What the treatment staff is trying to do is the opposite. I don't think you all are far afield in saying that it's sick and evil to hurt a child or commit a sex offense. The goal of these assignments isn't to take the place of jail or prison time, but to create in the offenders a sense that their victims are humans, to be protected instead of used for their own needs.

This concept is neither new nor controversial. It's been around for more than a century. It's documented, proven, and no one really debates it any more.
 
exactly!

Standing Wolf... I agree 100%. If someone commits a new sex crime after they've had their shot.. well... you just proved that society can't trust you.
 
IMHO, automatic life sentences, mutilation, and automatic death penalties is a surefire way to ensure that thousands upon thousands will suffer in silence instead of getting help that is waiting for them.

I think this is a key point. I don't want to help sex offenders. Especially repeat/violent sex offenders, except maybe help them into solitary for the rest of their lives or into an injection room. The point of punishment is two fold - it punishes the perpetrator, but it also serves as a deterrant to would-be criminals. If there is no penalty, only "help", that reduces or eliminates the deterrant portion of the sentance.
 
Phhhbbttt!

Sexual offenders are like homosexuals and gypsies in Nazi Germany? Give me a break. They didn't commit vicious crimes against their fellow human beings. They were just guilty of being homosexual or a gypsy at the wrong place at the wrong time.

And you're using the multi-level definition of "sexual offender" like it's all-inclusive. Part of the problem is that sexual offenses need to be redefined...i.e. public urinators or 18 year olds with 16 year old girlfriends. I think we need to settle on a reasonable definition of sexual offender. I think all the "kill and maim" posts are directed at the rapists and murderer/rapists.
 
Bemidjiblade said:
I know you all will form your own opinions on the issue, but I thought no matter what your feelings, it would be interesting to hear from a professional who deals with offenders constantly.
I thought you asked people to read the article and to form their own opinions.

People have done as you requested, and now you're trying to talk them into changing their opinions?

You asked for opinions. You are getting opinions. May I suggest, as respectfully as I can, that you SHUT UP AND PAY ATTENTION.
 
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