A Modest Proposal on illegals getting Drivers Licenses

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California's issuance of DLs to illegals has been discussed, somewhat tangentially, on other threads.

Tom Tancredo has proposed a bill to withhold Fed gas tax money from that state in retaliation. If it could be proven Kali was using that money for water tanks in the desert he might have a point, otherwise it is just another case of the Feds bludgeoning the states into line.

I've written to Tom Tancredo, my politicians in Nevada, the FAA, and Tom Ridge as to a better way to combat this treason.

Have the FAA, as another phase in the War on Terror, declare that California DLs (and any other such state) are no longer valid as ID. Citizens of those states must have a REAL ID, like a passport. Watch the flying public in those states HOWL.

An expansion of that would be that while the state can recogize the DLs for reasons other than driving proficiency, it doesn't mean the Feds have to. Ergo, all federal offices will do as the FAA.

If you think this is a better approach, contact your pol and tell him to draft/support a bill along these lines. (Dunno how to pressure the FAA though.) It might help to write the reporter of any article about this and make the same suggestion.

Like the old anti-gun tactic, "Throw everything against the wall and hope something sticks."
 
What is the problem here? 15 states already provide DL's to illegals. California is uncharacteristicly behind the curve.

If you intend to squeeze DMV then you'd better squeeze US banks. Treasury just approved use of the Mexican ID card as ID for opening checking accounts.

I've moved to numerous states during my life. Two activities are immediate and consistent state to state. To establish residency I must obtain a specific state's DL and wander down to the bank and use the DL to open a checking account. You can not tell me this is not a matter of national security when who knows who can establish residency without even cursory examination.

Dubya is outta his freakin' mind for not gaining control over the immigration fiasco. I guess it will take a dirty bomb in Peoria traceable to an illegal alien before someone gains a clue.
 
If you think this is a better approach, contact your pol and tell him to draft/support a bill along these lines.

It's not a bad idea, but I believe it amounts to hunting elephant with a BB gun. The obvious solution is to demand that the $28,000,000,000 Department of Homeland Security do its job, which includes securing the borders and ridding the nation of the cancer of illegal aliens.
 
As a member of Illinois Guard, 18yrs ! I've said many,many, times! We should due our 2 week A.T on the BORDERS!!!

It will "NEVER" happen!
Until someone drive truck bomb, into one of our cities!
And then SHTF! :cuss:
 
Contacing one's pol is pointless. If they smell votes they are for it.
Unfortunately, so are a lot of people who smell dollars, like banks.
Dubya has no interest in controlling the borders. He's convinced
himself that Latinos see their future with the GOP.

It will take a popular outcry, spurred by fear, as always, to get
action.

Too bad but that's usually the way it is.

Tom Tancredo is a rare soul. I applaud him.
 
The reason nothing is being done is because the political class and ruling elites in politics, media, law, and business have determined the US should be a country without borders. Pure and simple.

The taxpaying class needs to make it clear to the political and ruling classes that if anything untoward happens resulting in the death of Americans and those events can be traced back to ANY element of the immigration charlie foxtrot we currently experience, there will be unmitigated and unmeasured negative consequences applied to them personally. Tar pots and feathers is a time-honored tradition of the American frontier and I see no reason why it can't be reinstituted.

These people are trading money and power for American lives.

The Center for Immigration Studies published a study done by the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations. (Take you tinfoil hats off for a minute). It is a recurring study designed to track the differences in attitudes toward issues between the ruling class and the taxpaying class. The results are astounding.

Two little factoids paint the picture. When asked if immigration should be increased, remain the same, or reduced elite respondents said the following: 18% said reduce it, and 60% said remain the same.

Taxpaying class said the following: 55% said reduce it, and 27% said remain the same.

53% of the taxpayers said Bush's handing of foreign policy was excellent or good. 27% of those same taxpayers said his handling of of immigration was excellent or good. 70% RATED BUSH AS FAIR TO POOR ON IMMIGRATION, THE LOWEST RATING HE RECEIVED ON ANY FOREIGN POLICY RELATED ISSUE.

Clearly there is a huge gap between the ruling class and the taxpaying class. And that kiddies is how revolutions get started.
 
Protecting Our Borders, Our Jobs, and Our Lives"


Posted by Cole Gunther
Saturday, September 20, 2003





Editor's Note: This will introduce a new writer for our site, Cole Gunther of Kansas City, Missouri. Dr. Gunther is a former professor at the University of Missouri who enjoys writing and researching in the area of business, media, and public affairs.

~~o~~

The Arizona Republic and the Tucson Citizen have been covering Arizona's struggle to deal with illegal immigration. They report a storm of protest swirling around the Border Security and Immigration Act recently introduced in the U.S. Congress by Arizona Representatives Flake and Kolbe and Senator John McCain.

Commentary by the Tucson Citizen tells us the Arizona GOP leadership is ''split'' on border policy. It seems the various parties to Arizona's ''desert storm'' see different dangers concerning illegal aliens and our ailing economy.

So, what is the greatest danger facing America today? Weapons, drugs, and terrorists crossing our porous borders? The weak economy? Political battles over the war in Iraq?

All of these problems are among the greatest dangers we face. However, the deadliest danger to American survival today is our failure to recognize and act on consensus when we have it.

Recently CNN conducted a poll to clarify more specifically what people are talking about when they discuss ''the economy.'' Are they talking about the stock market, jobs, or what? Well over 80 percent of CNN's respondents said ''the economy'' means jobs and employment. Other polls show more than 80 percent of Americans want more and better border security. These numbers suggest that while our leaders may be split on the issues, the people are not. All over the political landscape, we have consensus about American survival.

The American Conservative Union is the oldest conservative political groups in America. And they want increases in ''the number of Border Patrol officers to effectively safeguard our nation's borders.'' On the other side of the political spectrum, state Democratic leaders in Michigan want more federal funding for U.S.-Canadian border security.

Across the U.S., Republican and Democratic state legislators are backing away from offshore outsourcing of state government contracts, as well they should. In another good move, legislators also are backing away from contracting to companies that employ foreign citizens brought to the U.S. on H-1B and other non-immigrant visas. Moving in the same direction, the AFL/CIO has recently demanded limits on the number of non-immigrant visas for foreign workers.

Everybody agrees that America needs more jobs--now. Riots were reported last June in Benton Harbor, Michigan, where unemployment is reportedly 40%. It is a sure bet that the rioters would concur with the course the AFL/CIO is taking.

Henry Kissinger, former secretary of state, has been quoted as saying that we need ''to develop incentives to prevent increasing outsourcing of economic activity from the U.S. to other countries.'' Wisely, Kissinger was addressing the big picture of our survival as a nation. What could be more dangerous than continuing to outsource the manufacturing of critical defense technology offshore?

Addressing another piece of the survival picture, comments by Tom Ridge illuminate the massive danger posed by foreign and domestic access to our infrastructures by workers with loyalties to other countries. He has said, ''Terrorists can sit at one computer connected to one network and can create worldwide havoc -- [they] don't necessarily need [a] bomb or explosives to cripple a sector of the economy, or shutdown a power grid.'' Offshore outsourcing means that more and more computers in Bangalore, Beijing, Riyadh, or elsewhere will be connected to American infrastructures through corporate networks and the Internet.

Not long after Mr. Ridge's comments, infrastructure experts participated in a ''Digital Pearl Harbor'' experiment designed to study the possibility of simultaneous terrorist attacks. A large majority of participants in the Digital Pearl Harbor study agreed that a coordinated attack on multiple infrastructures in America was ''likely in the next two years.''

While defending America, our troops are dying daily inside the porous borders of Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet, our leaders refuse to close and defend our porous borders here at home. In support of our troops, this unendurable hypocrisy by our leaders must be opposed by all Americans. And most Americans do oppose the hypocrisy.

Groups that study population and economic sustainability have said for years that America is on the path to self destruction. The American people agree that we are facing unrelenting attacks on many fronts.

The war in Iraq, offshore outsourcing, non-immigrant visas, porous national borders, illegal and out-of-control immigration, the struggling economy, and terrorist attacks all over the globe are all pieces of one big ugly picture. It would be helpful if our mainstream media would do a better job of portraying the big picture by emphasizing the consensus that citizens have about these problems.

The right view of the big picture is being delivered online every day in many ways. In weblogs, letters to the editor, e-mail to talk show hosts, chat sessions, website postings and op-eds, people advocate pro-American increases in homeland security and protection for the jobs we have left.

Fearing that we will soon become just one more third-rate, Third World country, Americans are demanding swifter, more effective action. In local communities around the country, millions of Americans have joined the chorus of consensus. In massive numbers, they have written, e-mailed, called and met with congressional representatives and senators . . . demanding action over and over and over again.

Our Congress and leaders must implement comprehensive policies to simultaneously protect our borders, our jobs, and our lives. The American people need action--now!

Cole Gunther receives e-mail at: [email protected]
 
Regardless of my feelings on immigration i DO NOT like seeing the federal government overriding a states laws for any reason. The withholding of federal tax money (collected from the population OF that state) gives the feds FAR more power than the constitution grants them.
 
Or require that DLs issued to illegals be prominantly marked:
"ILLEGAL IMMEGRANT"
on the face.


Psst, BilllL:

{sarcasm on} we're supposed to call them "Undocumented Resident", not "Illegal Immigrant". "Illegal Immigrant" is just too judgmental and harsh, and besides, we're-all-one-world-now, so what difference does it make what country you're from? {sarcasm off}

Actually marking the DL does make sense, but that would mean the govt. was condoning illegal activity. They probably like the "don't ask, don't tell" approach better.
 
First off, I wonder at just how many Illegals will show up in the first place?

After all, they're going to go into the computer, with picture. And, I guess, thumbprint (?). And address.

If the federal attitude ever gets real, a lot of Illegals will be much easier to find. :) They're not stupid; many of them will have already figured this out.

Art
 
"The taxpaying class needs to make it clear to the political and ruling classes that
if anything untoward happens resulting in the death of Americans and those
events can be traced back to ANY element of the immigration charlie foxtrot we
currently experience, there will be unmitigated and unmeasured negative
consequences applied to them personally. Tar pots and feathers is a
time-honored tradition of the American frontier and I see no reason why it can't
be reinstituted."


Thanks, Waitone. Words to live by.

Remember the movie, "Invasion of the Body Snatchers?" That's what
going on in America today. The next wave, already dribbling on the
shore, will be massive identity theft, perhaps a cooperative venture
between insiders at financial institutions and illegals. Maybe when
the tax-paying class sees it wealth evaporate, they will finally wake
up.
 
yeah..i smell votes too.why not just set up at the border,process them as they come over with a drivers lisc,a s.s card and then give em free meal tickets.give em my job too while were at it-oh,nevermind,theyre already doing that.:rolleyes:
 
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