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A new, and quite mysterious Croation EBR

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by PercyShelley, Nov 4, 2007.

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  1. PercyShelley

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    Word 'round the internet is that it's called the VHS. I'm not fluent in Croatian, so I have no idea what the V stands for, but I would be that the HS stands for HS Produkt; the same developers who brought you the HS2000 pistol.

    The HS2000, of course, is sometimes called the XD in the United States.

    As for the VHS, the interwebs have been remarkably quiet. It's clearly a bullpup assault rifle chambered in 5.56 NATO that feeds from STANAG 30 round magazines. The picture above suggests that it does not have provisions for left-sided ejection.

    This is an exploded view from the militaryphotos forum, but frankly I can't make heads or tails of it, except to say that this is not simply a bullpup shell built around a pre-existing action (doesn't look like an AK on the inside) and that it appears to be gas-operated:

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3665&d=1141639905

    Finally, the rifle is stated to weigh in at a svelte 2.3 kilograms (about the same as an M16A1), and posses an unusual gas system that blows some of the propellant gases behind the bolt to reduce recoil.
     
  2. Acheron

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    It looks very similar to an Israeli TAR-21 Tavor assault rifle. In fact, it looks almost identical. No wait, it IS a Tavor.
     
  3. Onmilo

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    What that rifle is, it is a licensed copy of the Israeli Military Industries, TAR21 'Tavor' assault rifle.
    You can find more information on this weapon system through Janes Defense or DBI Books Modern Assault Rifles.
    I was typing and Acheron was posting! :)
     
  4. Bartholomew Roberts

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    V probably stands for something similar to "Vintovka" - that is a Russian word for "rifle". Croatian is close enough to Russian that I imagine the Croatian word is similar.
     
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    which of course also translates in to English, " Ha ha ha, no lefties!"
     
  6. Lone Star

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    I have a Serb neighbor and know another on the Net. If you can get the full name for this rifle and model, I'll ask them what it translates to. I think Serbo-Croatian is the language. One of the Serbs also has some Russian.

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  7. Commander Guineapig

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    She doesn't look real confident holding the rifle, in fact she looks rather worried.
    Hm.
    "Does this new VHS make me look fat?"
    It kinda looks like an Aug crossed with a FAMAS...
    kinda sweet lookin...

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  8. PercyShelley

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    It can't be a tavor; look at the field stripped parts picture:

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3665&d=1141639905

    And now look at the tavor disassembly:

    http://world.guns.ru/assault/tavor_dis.jpg

    The external shell of the tavor does not come apart between the pistol grip and the upper receiver. The outer shell of the VHS splits into three parts.

    The charging handle of the tavor is visible from the right side. Not so the VHS.

    The stock area of the tavor drops down substantially more than the stock of the VHS as well.

    The internal parts of the VHS could be licensed copies of those from the tavor (in which case the internet so far would be wrong), but the furniture is quite a bit different.

    Croatia did manufacture the APS-95 for some time, which was a licensed copy of the galil, but the VHS seems only superficially similar to the tavor.
     
  9. Dr.Rob

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    Looks like a bastard cross between an SA-80 and a FAMAS (whatever that French bullpup is called). And that woman looks very comfortable with her rifle, note trigger finger disciplne.
     
  10. Wes Janson

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    On the other hand, the guy on the left looks like he's getting ready to draw ;)
     
  11. Hoppy590

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    i see cops stand like that all the time. makes ya wanna roll up a newspaper and tap them on the nose saying "No"
     
  12. Lone Star

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    Jut a guess here. Czech may be similar to these languages like Serbo-Coatian. Could the V be Vzor for, model?

    Lone Star
     
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    LOL
    Gotta say something about the picture too...
    I think that guy has an itchy finger and he draws in coming 2 seconds.
    The woman thinks the guy is a moron and that he tries to prove something
    to make the woman like him and later have a sexual intercourse with him.
    So he maintains his tough guy act while the girl seems bored in all of that.

    About that rifle...
     
  14. elmerfudd

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    This looks like another bullpup with an obnoxiously long length of pull to me. There is no way that thing is going to shoulder quickly or point instinctively. I'd be expecting troops issued rifles like this to do more shooting from the hip since it will be much harder for them to take up a proper firing position.
     
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    Hey lady, tie your hair back. K'thnx
     
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    I think that may be a record for the size of the trigger guard
     
  17. Spiggy

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    soon, this rifle will be obsolete and replaced with a superior higher capacity rifle w/ better quality performance


    I bet they'll call it the "DVD" :neener:

    Edit!
    Did a little research!

    http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/3000/3088.htm


    Also, Wikipedia has mentions of it on HS Produkt's page
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HS_Produkt
     
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  18. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Well, assuming that the "HS" stands for "HS Produkt", the manufacturer, then a moniker of "Model HS" makes no sense linguistically since it would describe every product they make. "Rifle HS" at least distinguishes which HS Product we are discussing.

    Also from a linguistic standpoint, Serbo-Croat is closer to Russian than it is to Czech.
     
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