A poll on reason and reality

What are "reasonable" real world gun regulations that are acceptable?

  • 18 or older to purchase (gun, Full auto, suppressor, sbs, sbr, etc.)

    Votes: 311 67.0%
  • Parental Consent for those under 18 for usage, not purchase

    Votes: 224 48.3%
  • Backround Checks ie: No violent felons or Mentalally Handicapped

    Votes: 267 57.5%
  • Must pass basic knowledge test on (operation, use of force, hunt)

    Votes: 100 21.6%
  • DUI type testing/laws for CCWers

    Votes: 55 11.9%
  • Zero tolerance for carrying under the influence

    Votes: 120 25.9%
  • Licensing for DDs, crew served weapons ie: tanks, artillery, planes

    Votes: 124 26.7%
  • No firearms in courts or seats of government

    Votes: 109 23.5%
  • No firearms in "sterile" enviroments ie: Airplanes, prisons

    Votes: 130 28.0%
  • No WMDs ie: nuclear, bio, chemical etc.

    Votes: 335 72.2%
  • Must be US citizen or have green card

    Votes: 321 69.2%
  • Remedy to restore rights of mentally handicapped & violent felons

    Votes: 175 37.7%
  • Private homes/business may restrict carry

    Votes: 210 45.3%
  • Background checks at gun shows

    Votes: 94 20.3%
  • Any firearms dealer must be licensed

    Votes: 143 30.8%
  • Mandatory 2 year military service

    Votes: 36 7.8%

  • Total voters
    464
  • Poll closed .
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This poll was influenced by recent threads about "reasonable" gun laws vs. infringement.
I'd like this to be as realistic as possible, meaning what is politically possible. We live in a representative democracy with many anti-gun people and our criminal justice system is far from perfect. No system is perfect but:

Knowing this and dispensing with our current roster of laws, what laws do you consider reasonable, more importantly possible?

edited to add: See post 129 (page. 6) as to why there is no " None" option
 
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I only saw two regulations that I consider "reasonable", and neither one is really a government regulation on firearms so much as a corollary to a different right.

Parental Consent for those under 18 for usage, not purchase. I think this one is reasonable since as long as a parent is responsible for their child's action, they have a right and responsibility to control the child's behavior.

and

Private homes/business may restrict carry. This is reasonable because property owners should always maintain the right to restrict the persons, objects, and materials that they allow on their property - even if I disagree with their choices.
 
Hank,

You should seperate courts from seats of government. I think it is reasonable to restrict firearms from courtrooms but not the governmental seats.
 
None of the above?
No firearms rights can be infringed?

You speak so glibly of reality.

Your underlying presumption in that they can be infringed.

Now let's watch the antis sandbag the poll.

Headline: Polls Indicate Some Infrigement Desirable.

"A Poll recently conducted by gun owners and shooters indicates that X% of them favor...."

Sorry, not buying what you're selling, even in re parental and property owners' rights to restrict... just because of that implicit underlying presumption.

I'll go buy another poll down the street because of these "manufacturing defects."

Two thumbs down.

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Edited to add the contents of my post # 120:

Here are the range of possibilities.

A, B, C, D, E, and F

A and B are possibilities because they used to exist.

C, D, E, and F are possibilities because they're my opinion of what's practical and realistic and possible and maybe current reality.

So here's my poll. Choose as many as you like. Do not choose any you don't like:

C, D, E, and F

I'm done with this one.

I can't make the flaws, bias, and skewedness in this poll any more clear than that.

Two thumbs down.
 
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What do you guys think of a Federal Law mandating shall issue CCW for anyone with any military service record whatsoever, active or reserve, with an honorable discharge.

I'd love to see the anti-gunners try to rail against that, particularly in the Iraq war era where respect for service men and women is at an all time high. This law would be a dagger in places like NYC where CCW are virtually banned.
 
The constitution is the law, everything else is regulation against the constitution. What part of " shall not be Infringed" isn't understood???

jj
 
I voted but the only really reasonable one is that private businesses can restrict carry. Unfortunately I did not see that until after. I also think handicapped and felons should have their rights restored. 18 to purchase anything is fair and parental consent for usage (and ownership is ok) as you should raise your children how you wish.
 
A safety course establishes that firearm ownership is not a right but a privilege and so I am always against that. Remember, we do not have the right to hunt. I essentially agree with Tecumseh (except his signature line, as there was no evidence about Jesus having long hair, and he bathed which hippies never do, and he did tell the disciples to sell their cloak and buy a sword if they did not already own one, and he got real aggressive when the need arose in the temple).

Ash
 
Thanks for an interesting poll, it gives one something to think about. Who do you want to see with a firearm? There is a saying that one out of four people are unstable....look at your three friends and if they seem normal.........
 
Yet another poll that falls into the trap of worrying about the tool.

Look folks, if someones a "badguy" it'll show up and they'll break one of the THOUSANDS of other laws out there. Then we need to enforce those laws and remove the criminal from the picture (jail or whatever depending on the crime).

Worrying about what "toys n tools" a bad guy uses is pretty much a WASTE OF TIME AND ENERGY!

(edit: Though on second consideration, I'll vote that WMD should be restricted as the secondary fallout from a "oops" or ND is way too big for my tastes.)
 
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You speak so glibly of reality.
Your underlying presumption in that they can be infringed.
Now let's watch the antis sandbag the poll.

Well it's a reality we all share, glib or not. I think it's glib to deny what's in front of you in favor of some unobtainable abstract perfection.

The antis have plenty of "stats" they can use without using some unscientific internet poll. Should we not even have a discussion for fear that our thoughts maybe misused by some third party?

You should seperate courts from seats of government. I think it is reasonable to restrict firearms from courtrooms but not the governmental seats.

I thought of that but ran out of slots so I combined them
 
US citizenship--Absolutely. Or green card with hunting license.

No nukes, high explosives, etc--Yes, within reason. The goal being to prohibit indiscriminent weapons or weapons with a large secondary zone of danger beyond the target. But if you want to own an RPG and shoot solids or dummies, go for it. Beyond that a license with testing, and background check is appropriate. And an outright prohibition on nukes and WMD's obviously.

What do you guys think of a Federal Law mandating shall issue CCW for anyone with any military service record whatsoever, active or reserve, with an honorable discharge.

Not much. It would be yet another law creating multiple classes of citizen, like the laws allowing former LEO's to pack even where others cannot.
 
OK, I'll share how I voted....

18 or older to purchase - YES - Anyone below 18 is still under the guardianship of their parents, who are responsible for the child's actions. Parents should certainly have the final say in whether or not their own child is mature enough to handle a firearm. If little Billy wants a 10/22, dad can buy it for him, and take him out to teach him how it works. Its about parents' rights.

Parental Consent for those under 18 for usage, not purchase - YES - An adult should own the firearm, and be responsible/liable for its use, not a child. I'm all for dads taking their kids out hunting, but the kid doesn't need his name on the paperwork for this to happen.

Backround Checks ie: No violent felons or Mentalally Handicapped - YES - A car dealer can't sell a new Caddy to someone who's had their license revoked...and a gun dealer can't sell a new Sig to Jimmy, the bank robber. Sounds reasonable to me... and its the system we already have.

No firearms in courts or seats of government - YES, with reservations - Banning firearms in seats of government bothers me... but I do see a need for my local sheriff to secure a courtroom, especially during a criminal trial. While I am torn in two directions on this one, I voted YES, if only because it resembles the current limitations in my neck of the woods.

No firearms in "sterile" enviroments ie: Airplanes, prisons - YES - I don't think anyone needs to introduce a firearm into the prison population. The guards at these facilities have a great responsibility in keeping contraband out of the hands of the desperate individuals they are keeping there. Sorry, a gun going unaccounted for just isn't worth the risk... don't like it? Then don't visit cousin Jimmy, the former bank robber. As for airplanes... Even if the TSA ceased to exist, the airlines themselves woould likely ban firearms on their planes. It is the airlines' privately owned aircraft, so they get to set the rules. I'm in favor of arming pilots, however.

No WMDs ie: nuclear, bio, chemical etc. - YES - I don't want to see the Negligent Discharge that levels Manhattan! Nor do I want to see Billy-Bob take out half of Louisianna with Bubonic plague when the booby trap he set for burglars works better than he could have ever suspected.

Must be US citizen or have green card - YES - If you are not a US citizen, or have a green card you must be an illegal alien, or a temporary visitor. In the case of illegal aliens, they are... well... illegal. I also don't envision vacationing European families picking up a nice Glock for their trip to Disney World, so there's really no need to make provisions for it.

Remedy to restore rights of mentally handicapped & violent felons - NO - Why on Earth would we want to restore the rights of a violent felon? Sorry, I don't believe that Chester, the convicted molester, should ever be trusted again, even if he has found religion and started volunteering at the local daycare. I don't have any sympathy for convicted felons.

Private homes/business may restrict carry - YES - My home or business, my rules! My rights as a private property owner are to decide who gets to enter my property, and to an extent, what they bring with them.

To sum it up... Firearms are owned by adults, who are responsible for their kids using them. Don't bring your gun to a prison full of pickpockets. We don't need to make it easy for felons to buy firearms through legal channels. Billy-Bob can't have a thermo-nuclear warhead in his bedroom. No guns for illegal aliens (or jobs, or drivers licenses, or welfare checks). Once a felon, always a felon. Its my house, I get to say whether or not you can be armed... Don't like it? Don't visit.
 
What do you guys think of a Federal Law mandating shall issue CCW for anyone with any military service record whatsoever, active or reserve, with an honorable discharge.

I'd love to see the anti-gunners try to rail against that, particularly in the Iraq war era where respect for service men and women is at an all time high. This law would be a dagger in places like NYC where CCW are virtually banned.

Why the preferential treatment for people who served in the military? What makes them a separate and better class of person deserving of more consideration?

Sorry, but either all Americans get to exercise rights protected by the constitution or none do.

Are you going to apply your reasoning to other things like voting and political speech?

I think I understand your thinking, but even if your proposal made it through, it would never get past that. It is simply not a viable stepping stone if your goal is shall-issue for all Americans. Now, if your goal stops with servicemen, your goal sucks IMO.
 
RKBABob said:
OK, I'll share how I voted....
Sorry Man but I just have to ask:

Is there anything you don't consider reasonable restrictions?

You may wanna consider changing your handle to RKBA-ButOnlySometimes-Bob
 
Werewolf wrote: Sorry Man but I just have to ask:

Is there anything you don't consider reasonable restrictions?

You may wanna consider changing your handle to RKBA-ButOnlySometimes-Bob
Well, for starters...

I do NOT support any one-gun-a-month limitation... or waiting periods... or the need to pass a background check to get a special permit to conceal a weapon, when I already needed to pass a background check to buy the weapon I intend to conceal... and, if someone does have a concealed weapons permit, it should take the place of any background checks at the gun shop... like it does in Utah, I believe.

The only "gun control" I voted "yes" to were:
18 to buy.
Parents' responsible for minors with firearms.
Resonable safeguards against felons making purchases.
Don't take your guns to prison, or to your buddy's murder trial.
No privately owned nuclear weapons.
Illegal aliens don't have 2A rights.
Convicted felons never regain the rights they chose to jeopardise.
The owner of private property sets the rules.

To put it another way... I don't believe that a 16 year old convicted rapist from Uzifurbeckistan, in this country illegally, should be able to stride up to the gun counter at Cabela's, buy a shotgun, and bring it to my house uninvited. Nor do I believe that Uzifurbeckistanis have a right to play with their nuclear warheads before heading off to their buddy's assault trial while toting a 1911.

Children don't have the rights of adults (or 12 year olds could vote)... AND THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS belongs to all adult citizens of this country... criminals have chosen to give up those rights when they chose their lifestyle.
 
RKBABob: You do realize that the founders of this country were illigal immigrants, right? And you do realize that it does not specify US citizens but people. And that these rights are granted by a creator, so it is logical to assume that it means all people have these natural or godgiven rights.

But you are better off changing it to RKBA-but only sometimes-Bob.
 
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