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A Pro-Rights Redditor Attends a Meeting of Anti-Gun Activists

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Justin, Jan 20, 2013.

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  1. OptimusPrime

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    Thanks for the post Justin. Reminds me of something I learned long ago; fight data with data, fight perception with perception. I'll make sure to remember that for my next discussion with an anti. We can come up with some pretty emotional responses too.
     
  2. BullfrogKen

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    I'll make sure I remember this principle.
     
  3. Justin

    Justin Moderator Staff Member

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    You know, speaking as someone who's a data hound, this strikes me as being tremendously profound.
     
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    we're boned.
     
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    Hmm, a liberal rally in Colorado, I'm guessing there was an extra ingredient or two in those cookies....
     
  6. OptimusPrime

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    Thanks, Justin.
    The TV interview that the gentleman from WV used in that popular thread from about two weeks ago is a perfect example of this debate tactic, and the reason he clearly "won" the interview. When the TV host used data in a question, the gentleman replied with BETTER and more precise data. When the host used emotion/perception, our spokesman responded in kind with equally compelling emotional answers. He did very well by recognizing the attack (question) and replying in the same vein, but better.
    We could all do well by that example. We should respond to data (that's often wrong and always skewed) with data; but when an emotional or perception-based question/attack is presented we should respond with a likewise perception-based response. "Don't you care about the children?" "Of course, that's why I teach my children how to be safe when I'm not around and how to keep others safe...." Etc.
     
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    I like the edition that emotion was important- I've been finding this more and more myself as well.

    Facts obviously don't matter to these people.
     
  8. SoCalNoMore

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    I agree. This is not a time for complacency. Its like pulling teeth to just get my local gun ranges to put links to the website for state legislators. No mention anywhere about Gun Appreciation day. No to mention our Sheriff here in Palm Beach County, FL is touting he wants an AWB and limit on mags.

    From what I see is, most right leaning folks have the mindset of "don't bother me I wont bother you". Its seems a lot are pretty passive and that is why the leftists are winning. They know that most people are sheep and only read the headlines. Facts don't matter, only what the talking points do. If we have a discussion based on facts and not emotion or propaganda, we will win every time. But that is not the case with the 2a and the gun grabbers.

    There are easy to use links at Ruger.com that allow people to write to their state reps etc. We all need to use them.
     
  9. holdencm9

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    The scariest thing is the second pamphlet, where they basically say that "law-abiding citizen" probably just means they haven't been caught yet.

    Ugh

    :banghead:

    But someone who legally carries is paranoid.
     
  10. SoCalNoMore

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    When I speak with someone that will listen rationally I tell them this true life story.

    A man married the woman of his dreams and they wanted children. However the woman had a traumatic experience when she was younger. Her brother accidently discharged a .22 rifle in the house. So she asked her husband to sell his guns, they had little to fear in their upscale home in a very nice neighborhood. To make her happy his sold them. Several months later they were watching a movie at home when 2 armed men kicked open the door and entered the home. They chased them down the hall way where they caught the man and wife hiding in the closet. They beat the man to near death, raped the wide while he watched and then left with money jewelry etc. The rape was so brutal she could no long have children.

    My question the the anti gun person is; No person is immune to crime, how would you handle this situation if it was you?
    The man later committed suicide because of his guilt in not being able to protect his wife. There are thousands of situations like this every day, and we want to put everyone in the US in the same position as this man and woman?
     
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    On second thought, my comment about 'something' regarding women and the right to vote was 'modified';)

    Justin, thanks for the report.
     
  12. holdencm9

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    But SoCal, the story you told is SO rare. You'd have to be paranoid to think you need a gun in the house. Mass shootings on the other hand, happen almost every day. Won't someone PLEASE think of the CHILDREN?!?!?

    :rolleyes:

    In all seriousness though, good post.
     
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