Herself said:
CAnnoneer: How you do go on! Underneath all your objections and crying "foul!" you will find your own great discomfort at having your cozy assumptions challenged. That'd be your problem.
If indeed I were afraid of having assumptions challenged, I would not consistently and repeatedly ask you to provide facts and logic. What you keep giving us in return is insults, categorizations, and PC pre-formed opinions (some call that "prejudice") that do not stand the test of rational examination.
I am sorry to say this, but you are the one devolving this thread. Leave the hysterical namecalling aside and present something of value. Otherwise, the moderators will rightfully kill an otherwise decent thread.
Art Eatman: Poverty doesn't cause crime; never said it did. It is, however, linked to crime. Other closely-linked phenomona include opportunity (crime rose during Prohibition, for example, and has risen during the "war on drugs"), societal expectations and personal expectations, being an "outsider" or not, and a lack -- real or percieved! -- of legitimate means of upward mobility.
That is just a PC excuse. Unless one is born in affluence, life is a struggle universally. Decent people work hard, pay their dues, and keep away from trouble, no matter how difficult it is. Then there are others that look for 50-150 year old excuses why it is they choose the easier paths of peddling drugs and living a life of crime. The latter are the ones that severely undermine the efforts of the former in their own communities. But if somebody says it like it is, he gets smacked with "Klansman", "racist", or whatever other garbage ammo the resident apologeticists happen to favor.
An individual's commission of any crime is a moral issue -- although just what sort of morality can be debateable; would you steal to feed your starving children if there was no other way to feed them at the time?
Right. Gangbangers make thousands of dollars a day in peddling smack, robbers mug people, and psychos rape women "to feed their children". Who are you kidding?
But crime rates in a given place and time are greatly affected by the external factors mentioned above. Each person has a "tipping point" and the broad effects simply move the center.
It is clear leftist apologeticism has made the center-of-mass of many rather high.
Right now, in most of the U.S., the poorest group with the lowest expectations and the fewest ways up happen to be black. That's all. It has been different in the past and it will be different in the future. When? There's no tellin'.
You still need to explain this within the framework of evidence and models discussed.
You also have been ignoring crime and vice stats from lily-white Siberia, a world leader in robbery, prostitution, crack addiction and HIV. Oh, yeah -- and a leader in poverty with few honest ways out.
That is
hardly a fair parallel. The complete collapse of the Soviets produced the kind of political vacuum and economic crisis that 99.9% of the west cannot even begin to fathom. We are talking complete and utter collapse of society, the social contract, services, transportation, currency, banking system, etc. It is like what Y2K could have been multiplied by a hundred, and in many ways worse than the Weimar Republic.
The US equivalent would be complete bankruptsy of the federal government, dissolution of local authority, gas reaching 100 dollars a gallon, virtual disappearance of police, everyone taking an 80% cut in income while prices jump several times, even simple things like bread, milk, and butter disappearing from the supermarkets.
To compare this to the experiences of minorities in today's US is beyond preposterous.
Your minds are made up. I'm not going to debate with a bunch of racists. It disgusts me to encounter such persons within the shooting community. I thought gunnies had more sense.
--Herself
Facts and logic instead, please.
