A Red guy went Blue

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SHOOT1SAM

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This is not to bash, in any way; it is simply to explain why I changed from a Hornady Lock-& Load progressive to a Dillon Turret Press.

I learned to reload on a Hornady single stage press, which I still have & still use. ALL of the dies I have ever bought, are Hornady's, with the exception of my 6.5 Jap dies which are from Lee-just too big of a price difference to justify the Hornady's for the Jap. I repeat; EVERY (other) set of dies I had ever purchased were from Hornady. When I made the 1 & only NRA Convention I have ever been to (in Reno, NV)...it may well have been Steve Hornady (can't say for sure) who was in their booth touting the L&L; I tried it & LOVED it & couldn't wait to buy one.

A few years later when I could purchase one, I did, AND got the 1000 free bullets. I could NOT figure out why-the-heck I couldn't load handgun cartridges - it simply would NOT throw a handgun charge...I had to purchase the handgun powder feed drum...separately, from the kit.

I have had it for several years, and while the concept of the bushings is brilliant, no matter what, I could never reload consistently with this press. It was ALWAYS a constant set of tweaks & adjustments & spring replacements & retightening of this-or-that & resetting the powder measure...it got to the point that I had this 'great' press on my bench...and when I would decide to go try it again, I would just get frustrated again, and found myself, more-often-than-than-not, using the Lyman 1200DPS and my Hornady single stage press to reload.

Case-in-point: I went out yesterday-thought, what could be more AMERICAN than to shoot or reload on the 4th of July? Between the adjusting & tweaking, etc. on the L&L, I got...51 rounds of 10mm reloaded. I plugged the 1200 DPS in and while it warmed up, I began single-stage reloading, and in the time it took me to reload 51 rounds on the L&L, I loaded 100 rounds in 5 stages.

I told my lovely wife that I was DONE with the L&L.

Today, I purchased a Dillon RL-550C...really struggled with choosing it over the 650, but Rich, over at Cliff's, persuaded me that the 550 would suit all of my needs, and told me that once I got in to a rhythm, I'd be surprised at how quickly I could reload...he was right!

After I got it set up, with only 1 run over to Cliff's & 2 calls to Dillon (believe me, for me, only 1 visit back & 2 calls are EPIC!! - I can put up a shelf & require 6 trips to Lowe's...), and after getting the powder measure calibrated, I reloaded 200 rounds, and that includes switching powders (& looking up on youtube the quickest way to do so...which was so stupidly obvious that I had to wonder why it didn't occur to me), bullets, loads, etc, in about a hour-and-a-half.

THIS is how reloading is supposed to be, and why I switched from a Hornady 'progressive' to a Dillon turret press...YMMV.

Sam
 
I don't ever remember you posting a question on how to fix your press. If you had I would have given you my number and had you talk to my 7-year-old grandson on how to set up your press. But yea I think you will do fine on your "Dillon turret press??"
 
It's great that you found a press that you're happy with.
Of course it is very unlikely anything was wrong with the LnL and if there was, Hornady would have fixed it for nothing.
I just loaded 100 9mm on my LnL, it took 9 minutes and I don't have bullet or case feeders.
If your LnL was missing the low volume powder drum I would bet Hornady would have sent you one.
Red and blue presses are both very good with excellent customer service. Problems with either one are usually operator error.
 
If you got 1,000 free bullets with your press you have a generation 1 press. We now are on the generation 3 press. You probably still have the old primer punch and a solid mount cam wire. Just call Hornady and they will send you the upgrades at no charge.
 

Yes, really.

If you read my entire post, you’d know I have ONLY reloaded on Hornady products, and am STILL using Hornady products; I used my Hornady dies in the Dillon last night & this morning.

MY L&L was possibly a lemon, and I stuck with it a heckuva lot longer than many would have. Several calls to Hornady, other friends who reload trying to resolve the issues, reading through numerous posts on this & other forums and watching countless videos online trying to figure it out, were to no avail.

I don't ever remember you posting a question on how to fix your press. If you had I would have given you my number and had you talk to my 7-year-old grandson on how to set up your press...

Not posting a question on THR, or speaking with a 7-year old doesn’t mean one hasn’t explored many, many options to resolve the issue.

..."Dillon turret press??"

Yes, a turret press, not a progressive like the L&L or the Dillon 650 in that one must manually index the plate for each step, not just pull the handle.

My apologies; I did not realize that stating why I switched brands of presses would engender such defensiveness in so many others. Like I ended my original post: YMMV.

Sam
 
You must have gotten a "lemon". I have had a LNL for years. Loaded many thousands of pistol rounds and NEVER ONCE did I have inconsistent powder drops. My son has a LNL and my best friend has a LNL. I helped them get set up and adjusted and THEY don't have inconsistent powder drops. AND, once we got the presses adjusted and "dialed-in" no one, including myself, has had to readjust and "tweak". I also have a Dillon Square Deal. That powder measure is less consistent but, well within normal limits. I do know that consistent powder drops depends on the type of powder and how "consistent" you operate the press.

I am sorry you had so much trouble. You should be happy with the Dillon 550 it's a quality machine, as is the LNL.
 
Moving away from Red to Blue offends some members obviously (and vice versa). People defend their favorite brand like it is a religion or a nationality. As if somehow *your* choice one way or another validates *their* choice.

Definitely your choice, and if you are happy, then it is all good.

Red is good. Blue is good. Choices are good.
 
Shoot1sam congratulations on your new press and happy reloading. Just one word of caution be careful as you are aware the 550 is manual indexing and missed or double charge are much more possible than on an auto indexing press.
 
Overall, I've been quite pleased with my LNL AP, but that doesn't mean 'something else' may not be equally or more pleasant.

As always,,, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder....

Sounds like the OP had some frustrations and was able to 'shift gears' into something that's been good for him so far.

HIGH FIVE!!!!!
 
I thought by the title this was about politics! lol

Same at first, but I figured it out before actually clicking.

To the OP - congrats on the new press. I've been *mostly* satisfied with my Hornady LnL AP too but I will admit that the priming system has been "aggravating" more than a few times. I've seriously considered adding a Dillon 650 though and keeping my LnL setup for .40S&W and the Dillon setup for 9mm.
 
People defend their favorite brand like it is a religion or a nationality. As if somehow *your* choice one way or another validates *their* choice

Yep, the old "with us or against us' mentality.
Glad the OP got another press instead of deciding to quit reloading...:eek:
 
Umm... that's not a turret press. It's a manually indexed progressive. On a Turret Press the dies move, on a progressive the cartridge moves.

I started with a Hornady LnL AP. I too got the 1000 free bullets. My press came with both rifle and handgun rotors for the powder measure.

I fiddled around with that Hornady for several years. I polished stuff, got upgraded parts from Hornady, the first upgrade was to the ejection system. I could never sit down and load 100 straight rounds with that press. Something always popped up.

I happened into a sweetheart deal on a Dillon 650 still in the box, for $200. Once I got it setup and mounted on the bench it ran like a top. I've since added a case feeder and several aftermarket parts that make life easier. I can sit down and load 500 rounds with no problems.

The Dillon just flat loads ammo. I've sold the Hornady and couldn't be happier. Perhaps someday I'll add a second 650 and have one set up for small primers and the other for large primers.
 
Yes, really.

If you read my entire post...

Sam
I did read your entire post. Hence, my question. Glad you like your new blue press. I've heard they're good. If CCI ever abandons APS primer strips, I'll probably replace my green Pro 2000 with a blue 650.
 
.I had to purchase the handgun powder feed drum...separately, from the kit.
Maybe that's why you got 1000 free bullets, they didn't include the handgun rotor with your kit. I only got 500 free bullets, but it came with both a rifle and handgun (large and small) rotor and metering assembly.

Glad you're happy with the Dillon. Some folks just can't load with certain reloading equipment. That's why its nice to have a variety of presses available.

...not that I'm bashing anybody ;)
 
I own green (rcbs rock chucker), red (Lee classic turret), red (MEC 9000g, 600jr) and even blue (550b).

I never really understood the color wars. We are all faithful hand loaders and brass recyclers. I would love to get a good deal on a new Hornady or Dillon press. I would like to try a LNL from Hornady.

I would be willing to rush to any of your addresses with two one hundred dollar bills to take your off colored presses off your hands....... just so you can try the other color. Since I am in Minnesota, you need to allow me some commute time...

Swanee
 
To start off with I have bought and sold over 20 Hornady presses in different configurations, from a stand-alone press all the way up to a complete Ammo-Plant. Every press I bought was a "LEMON" or as I call them"paperweights". And when I sold them they were perfectly timed and running presses. I have also driven as far North as Sioux City Iowa, as far East as Des Moines Iowa, as far South as Kansas City Missouri, and as far West as Columbus Nebraska to buy a press. Only to find out that they really didn't want to sell their press. The only wanted a press that ran great and didn't know how to get their press running right. I adjusted their press and got it running perfect and then asked them if they really wanted to sell their press. When they say no the cost of my service is one handshake, and a promise to help someone else

Now as far as my grandson. He has been with me in the reloading room since he was 3. Not only have I taught him how to load I have also taught him how to take care of his equipment. I also taught him how to ride his bike. He once told me that it is easier to reload than it is to learn how to ride a bike. "Less painful" In January of this year, we drove to a small town just East of Lincon Nebraska to look at a press. When we got there the young man's daughter was there and she was a year or two older than my grandson. I think he wanted to show off and asked if he could time the press. I told him he could so long that he showed and explained to Mr.XXX what he was doing. After he was done the press ran perfectly.

When you said that you were constantly having to do "Tweaks and adjustments" that just told me that it has never been timed perfectly. I have 4 Ammo-plants on my bench that I adjusted and timed on 23 May 2015 and they are still perfect.

And my Question "Dillon turret press??" is because the RL-550C is not a turret. I was trying to give you an opportunity to correct your self. But then you doubled down. Now I have a buddy that has both a 650 and a 550 and he likes the 550 better. I just couldn't load on a 4 station press. But if you like it that's great more power to you.
 
I would be willing to rush to any of your addresses with two one hundred dollar bills to take your off colored presses off your hands....... just so you can try the other color. Since I am in Minnesota, you need to allow me some commute time...

Swanee

Your two bills would need eight friends for an L-N-L Ammo plant.
If, however, you found even a "naked" L-N-L for two hundred, buy it! :)

When I finally save enough for the ammo plant I will be posting some questions to @DRAINSMITH, for sure.
(I almost had one, but a Golden Eagle got in the way this time...)
 
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