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A Review of MachIV's Silencers

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by Havok7416, Oct 10, 2020.

  1. Havok7416
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    Last year I decided to expand my silencer collection. Picking the "right" ones was and is a daunting task IMO. There are many makes and models to choose from and it's not the easiest thing to sell a silencer if you end up not liking it. At the time I already owned a Saker ASR and I loved it (still do). Around the time I started seeking advice on what to buy I came across some posts by our very own @MachIVshooter wherein he was discussing his new product line. After some consideration, I decided I was willing to take a bit of a chance and order one of his cans instead of an "established" brand.

    When I first reached out to MachIV, I figured I would get a cookie-cutter response. Instead what transpired was a fantastic back-and-forth via PM that allowed me to get a real education on his silencers and undoubtedly exasperated him in the process. In fact his thorough explanations and clear knowledge of the subject matter in large part led me to my decision to purchase silencers from him.

    By the time I got around to actually purchasing a silencer from MachIV I was already in the process of acquiring my Saker. The only other guns I was looking to mount a can on at that time were pistol caliber rifles, so I ordered two Phoenix IXs from MachIV. My dealer - who happens to also be a machinist - commented that the Phoenixes were some of the nicest silencers he had ever seen. The Phoenix IX certainly is nice - at least as far as I can tell. It's fairly long at 9" but surprisingly light. It also has a somewhat smaller diameter for it's class, being only 1.25". Overall these compare roughly to a TiRant 9M in terms of their overall size. I have shot the Phoenix and TiRant side by side and while it was tough to tell if one was appreciably quieter than the other, the TiRant sure seemed to blow a lot more debris back in my face when mounted on a pistol. The Phoenix design seems to excel for me when mounted on a PCC, especially my Beretta Cx4. These cans are designed to come apart for cleaning.
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    After a long delay (and a slight change in silencer priorities) I bought three more of MachIV's silencers and just received them recently. The first of these is his Furtivus (.308) design. This can compares roughly to my Saker in terms of overall dimensions (1.5×9" vs 1.5x8"). This can comes with a muzzle brake (see below) designed by MachIV. It weighs less than my Saker but that isn't saying much. The finish on my particular Furtivus has a satin-like black finish and really looks good. It seems to generate about the same noise as the Saker but it's not overtly as over-built. I haven't put a lot of rounds through this can yet but I am liking it a lot already. I use the Furtivus and Saker both for .300 Blackout only.
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    The second silencer in this group is the Ocelot. This is a .22 silencer and a pretty awesome one at that IMO. Granted, I don't have anything to compare it to directly, but this thing is phenomenally quiet. The only gun I have capable of mounting the Ocelot is my Taurus TX22 and they seem to make the perfect pair. The Ocelot is a 1" diameter can 5.5" long that's so light it feels like it should be made out of paper. Combined with the lightweight TX22, this is truly quiet shooting. Maybe all .22 cans are this quiet but the Ocelot barely seems to make any noise at all. While testing this can out I was able to confirm that Federal AutoMatch, several variants of standard CCI ammo and Blazer were all subsonic through my TX22 so there's no need for me to hunt down specific ammo.
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    The final silencer of the last group is the Canine. This is a specialty 9mm can that uses a wipe at the front and is designed to be run wet. Only 4" long and 1.375" in diameter, this can compares closest to the TiRant 9M in short configuration, but that's not quite fair as the Canine is a fair bit shorter than the TiRant. It's also a lot lighter. The Canine is designed to be run wet - using white lithium grease - and I definitely messed up here. While MachIV has assured me I didn't cause any permanent harm, in my excitement to get the new silencers out to the range, I forgot to put any grease in the Canine before I shot it. As a result, this can was very loud and definitely not hearing safe. I need to go back and re-test it with the grease. Grease needs to be reapplied every 2-3 magazines for best noise suppression, so this can needs to come apart often. To facilitate this, the end of the silencer is knurled. MachIV was kind enough to provide a stamp as well which is used to cut out a new neoprene wipe AFTER the current one has been destroyed (the sequence here is legally important). Per MachIV there are not many Canines currently out there. That being the case I hope to test it further.
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    All told these five silencers cost me in the neighborhood of $2,000 or so not including tax stamps. IMO that is a bargain when the stellar performance of the cans is considered. If you are looking for a new silencer I highly recommend the various designs offered by our very own @MachIVshooter. This brief review is not sponsored by him and I was not compensated for doing this. My intent was/is to give credit to a very talented member of THR. I am hoping to expand on this review later as I get more rounds through these silencers. As it stands I have something less than 1,000 rounds through all seven but that will definitely change!

    Below (L to R): Saker ASR, Furtivus, Phoenix (only one pictured), TiRant 9M, Canine and Ocelot.
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    He is an incredible craftsman and an all-around great individual. That's a combination that often gives superlative results.
     
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    He "recored" 2 form 1 cans for me [installed a stainless baffle stack in my ti tube] and I have zero complaints. POI changed, but accuracy did not. to the shooters ear, I cannot tell a difference between it and a purchased can. And when I had a stupid error on my part, he was responsive and helpful. I highly recommend him as well.
     
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    Thanks for the review, @Havok7416 . I've been considering getting my second silencer, and getting one by @MachIVshooter has definitely been on The List of Possibilities.

    As far as your .22 can, I'll say this. I only own 1 silencer, and it's a .22 silencer. At this point, I've pretty much quit buying .22s without threaded barrels. I've got a 22/45 Lite, 2 Ruger American Rimfires and a 10/22, all of which play host to my DAM. All in all, nothing beats the bolt guns for ridiculously quiet. If I load them with subsonic ammo, I could squirrel hunt in my back yard without bothering the neighbors. That said, the others are a whole lot of fun, too!
     
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    If you can only own one NFA item it should be a .22 silencer...unless you can afford a machine gun. But in that case you can probably also afford a whole bucket full of silencers.
     
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    I had a form 1 rifle can re-cored by him. Fantastic work. Lighter and quieter than before.

    Now, I'm patiently waiting for him to make another run of his solvent traps.

    I imagine he'll be performing another re-core shortly after that.
     
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    I was too, then decided it would be faster to start a form 4 than to wait on his trap to do a form 1. So bought a resonator.
     
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    I have a couple items from Nick.

    Very impressed and very happy.

    My dog and I got a tour of the new shop a couple months ago when we were up there.

    We also talked about a new project for my Desert Tactical bolt gun. Just waiting for a barrel and I will be headed back up to see Nick.
     
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    I wish suppressors could be exported from the US, I would be a customer.
     
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    I have an approved Form 1 sitting around from before the 41F fiasco that I haven't built a can for yet. I was planning on a rimfire can... but now would rather it be a sealed 5.56 "shorty". I don't "need" the thing any time soon, so I don't mind waiting.
     
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    The pistol-related cans and most of the accessories found a home this week. I have to say I'm pretty pleased with the results. The fancy box is the solution to a problem I was having regarding silencer transport. I was having to demount the cans every time I wanted to go to the range and that quickly turned into a PITA. As a bonus I know have a a TSA-approved case for air travel in the unlikely event I end up flying somewhere with these guns. The case is an Apache 4800, found at Harbor Freight for around $60 and equivalent to a Pelican case.

    The Phoenixes and rifle cans are stored differently so they missed the photo op.
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    that is that bottom gun that has TX on the slide by the muzzle? ippeats to have a super tiny ejection port. some sort of conversion kit?
     
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    Looks like a Taurus TX22
     
  14. Havok7416
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    It is in fact a Taurus TX22. Purpose built by Taurus as a .22 pistol. Holds 16 rounds in a factory mag (10 in some states) but there is a +5 extension available. It also comes from the factory with a threaded barrel (technically the barrel is threaded for the 1/2x28 adaptor that comes with the gun).

    I suppose I should have introduced the supporting cast to the silencers themselves. The Furtivus and Saker are both mounted on AR-15s in .300 Blackout (16 inch barrels). I have a Phoenix apiece on a Beretta Cx4 (9mm) and a Ruger Charger (9mm). The TiRant is usually mounted on a Glock 19 MOS, the Canine is on a USP-9. As mentioned above, the Ocelot is on my TX22. Eventually I will also have a bolt action gun in .22 and .300 Blackout. The appropriate cans will be rotated to those guns as desired.

    Both .308 cans can be swapped (along with their brakes) to the other AR. All the 9mm cans are threaded 1/2x28 which allows me to put them on any of the pistols - including the TX22 - plus the Cx4.
     
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    ahh, thanks. I highly recommend a suppressed, bolt action 22. stupid fun. I can shoot at 50yds, under a metal awning, at paper and watch the holes appear because I'm not flinching in any way. Of course, then some other people show up to the range with their scars and 338 lapua's wearing muzzle breaks and spoil the quiet fun. Savages.
     
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    UPDATE: I took the Canine back out today after applying white lithium grease on the baffles as directed by MachIV. The result was a much quieter report that gradually increased in volume through one mag (15 rounds). The final round was still quieter than a regular report without a can. I have to say it definitely works as advertised!
     
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    Having had one in my hot little hands, I can say MachIV / ECCO Machine solvent traps are pretty swanky too... and the price is right!

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    He even engraved my Form 1 info on it before sending it to me.

    It's now legally a silencer (I drilled the hole in the suppled aluminum end cap) and patiently waiting it's turn to be re-cored as a fully-welded rifle can.
     
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    I finally put the first 500 rounds through one of my Phoenix cans yesterday. It came apart very easily with only minor tapping on the extraction rod. The baffles - except for one - hardly seem to have any build up on them at all. The blast baffle had a large build up of lead that I initially mistook for part of the baffle itself. I ended up scraping it all off gently with a knife. I have been meaning to get a container to clean my cans in but I haven't gotten to it, so this one will have to sit until I can do that and get some cleaning solution. Because disassembly tends to be a bit messy I didn't take pictures of everything. I'll try to do so when the next one comes apart.
     
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