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A scary thought caught me today.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by HANDLOADER, Sep 22, 2008.

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  1. HANDLOADER

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    The boy came in today and sat down and we conversed for about a hour. No the boy looks just like me when I was 16 6 ft tall and strong. Any way he is a member of the schools air rifle team and today his rifle broke. And the RO/ Instructer at the end of class told him to walk the rifle down to the room and leave it in there. The man has full faith in the kid and I don't blame him thats the way I raised him to be. Honest, saftey wise and respectgul. Any way the kid walks the rifle down to the class muzzle pointing to the roof and on the way class dismiss and the students leave the class. In the high school there is a ag class and he was in that last year so he has friends. They see him and yell he's got a gun. Oh @#$%. Any way the kid gets to the room fast as he can and leaves for lunch. Now I respect that the instructure trust him. But he put the kid in a sitiution that could have resulted in a dangerous ending. This meaning our shoot first and ask questions latter cops. I could have lost the boy. Luckly no one went as far to call the police but still dose this ROTC dude have any sense about him at all putting kids in these situtuions?So I believe that that instructure is going to get a BIG PIECE OF MY MIND! So what dose everyone else think of these situtions that our all mighty school teachers put our kids in.

    GOD BLESS

    Handloader
     
  2. spuscg

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    my high school didnt allow an air rifle team, tried to do lots of anti gun reading......watched bowling for michael more is d bag
     
  3. kingpin008

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    While I can see a young person walking through a school with a rifle/handgun being a bad thing due to today's rash of school shootings, I'd be much less worried about the police arriving and potentially shooting him than I would be a teacher or other staff member with a concealed handgun doing it. The cops, even if called immediately, will not get there in time to do much, especially if they don't have a good lock on where the supposed shooter may be. A staff member, however, could easily intercept the kid with the rifle/handgun and engage them.

    Either way, I'd have a *polite yet concerned* conversation with the coach/director of the air rifle program, and see what can be done to avoid such a situation in the future. Either he needs to take the rifles to the storage room himself, and leave the students out of it, or he needs to do something like escort them, or perhaps affix some sort of flag or other device to the rifles so that nobody is able to mistake them for an actual weapon when in the hands of the students.
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    Uh, I think I get what you're saying, but please - try to be a little bit more coherent. Not trying to bust your chops, but it helps us a -lot- if your posts are comprehensible.
     
  4. DoubleTapDrew

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    Maybe the instructor forgot we now live in a blissninny panic-filled world where people want someone carrying anything even resembling a gun near a school shot on sight, legal or not.
    Are you against concealed carry altogether, or just in certain places? Considering the legal ramifications for CCW holders vs. cops they seem much less trigger happy in my experiences.
     
  5. Thernlund

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    I think maybe his friends need to understand the position they put him in. I'd place the blame on them.


    -T.
     
  6. BruceRDucer

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    Handloader:

    Wouldn't it be more appropriate for the instructor to say:

    Set the rifle down somewhere until class is over?

    Still, it is an innocent blunder.:uhoh:

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  7. WhisperFan

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    The entire problem may have been avoided if they placed the air rifle in a case before asking the student to transport it.

    I think that all target guns (both firearms and air-guns) should be transported back and forth from the range in gun cases. But that's just me
     
  8. kingpin008

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    Uh, what? How do you get me being against CCW from the statement you quoted? All I was saying, was that in that situation, the individuals who would be most likely to respond would not be the police (since they have to respond to the school in the first place) but teachers, who may have CCW licenses/weapons. I thought I was being pretty clear, no?
     
  9. Wes Janson

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    As I see it, part of the problem stems from the fact that people are too ignorant to realize that someone walking around with a rifle at shoulder arms is probably not a threat. If the barrel is parallel to the ground, it's time to find cover. Barring that, mass murderers generally do not exhibit proper muzzle discipline and safety procedures before opening fire, for some strange reason.
     
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    Sorry I misunderstood. I thought you meant a teacher/staff member would be more likely to open fire on him without assessing the situation than a LEO would be if they had a CCW.
     
  11. Dgreno

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    When I was in JROTC in high school, we carried "deactivated" M1's. (Deactivated meaning that the shop teacher poured molten aluminum down the barrel and cut the firing pin down:barf:.) We carried them throughout the school without any problems. We also had an air rifle team. We would shoot in the cafitera or gym if it was not in use after school. No problems there either.
     
  12. Gunsby_Blazen

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    what you need are bags or cases for the air guns. it makes them less threatening to the public who have been sensitized to them. but, it is understandable why folk would react in panic if they saw a fella walking with any type of gun...
    anyway, cases would be good to prevent such things.
     
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    here in liberal NY state,we had an actual rifle team in my HS....this was the 80's too,not the 50's.It was a private school though.there's a picture of us on the team in the year book w/ our guns too..now a days...it would never fly....it's for the children.
    BTW,the best shot on the team....her name was Kelly.;)
     
  14. MJRW

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    When you talk to the man, inform him, don't yell at him. You may actually achieve something if you deal with him respectfully and he understands the problem created. If you go ahead and give him a "BIG PIECE OF [YOUR] MIND," you are far more likely to create an adversary who will dismiss you as a yelling idiot than achieve anything.
     
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    Agreed. More flies with honey than vinegar, and all that.
     
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    At the next all school assembly have the rifle team presented to the student body, carrying arms. Use this as an opportunity to educate (and warn) everyone. Throw in how much fun shooting is, how you learn about firearm safety, and encourage participation.
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    I highly doubt that a teacher, who would know about the ROTC, would just shoot someone in the hallway on sight of the gun. I have a hard time believing they would do anything but draw and demand the student put the rifle down slowly and safely, if they didn't recognize him as an ROTC kid.
     
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    +1 to MJRW's comments. Calm down before you even think of picking up the phone. And when you do, make an appointment and see him in person. And when you do THAT, please keep in mind that your son might be pretty embarrassed if Daddy goes running to school and makes a scene. 16 year olds aren't real big on parental rescue missions (voice of experience here).

    Apart from causing tension between your son and the teacher for the rest of the school year (which has just really gotten started) you have the kids who will hear about it (and yes, they will hear about it) and rag on your son for needing Daddy to come to his aid.

    I understand that the possible outcomes were pretty scary, but your response needs to be calm and rational and not a matter of giving him a piece of your mind.

    Springmom
     
  19. kingpin008

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    I never said that a teacher would automatically open fire. What I said, was that if anyone was likely to react to such a situation, it would be teachers first, since the police would still be responding.

    And just because a school has an ROTC program or a rifle/pistol team, does not mean that every teacher or faculty member knows about said program or team, and every student involved with it. Further more, I'd imagine that when confronted with the sight of a student walking down the hallway with a gun, any individual is going to be taken aback, and may not have the wherewithall to put together the fact that the school has a ROTC/shooting program.
     
  20. HuntAndFish

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    Sounds like the school needs some cheap rifle sacks ($5) to carry the guns in/out/around. A gun sack just isn't as threatening as a naked rifle.
     
  21. Robby

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    Well gun sacks, or open carrying a gun (air rifle even). How do you think some of the school shooters got their weapons on campus, or in the high school but in a duffle or bag!
    But if a CCW Teacher or staff in most states, they have at least been thru some training, and most likely would not over react, (to an air rifle being carried pointed at the ceiling, while being carried.
    I wish more schools allowed trained teachers and staff to carry concealed. I know in KY, we are trying to petition the legislature for that change at this time, and also for parents who have permits to be able to carry also. This on colleges would include of age students with CCW.
     
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    Obama won!.....:eek:
     
  23. Apple a Day

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    Were we overdue for a teacher-bashing thread?
     
  24. tpaw

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    I you can read this, thank a teacher.......;)
     
  25. Thernlund

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    Somebody's gotta get bashed.

    A day without bashing is a day without sunshine.

    :rolleyes:

    (I said the jackass friends who cried wolf should be to blame. But I guess teacher bashing is more fun.)


    -T.
     
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