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A view from Mexico on U.S. gun control

Discussion in 'Legal' started by cuchulainn, Aug 3, 2005.

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  1. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Member

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    FWIW

    From El Universal

    http://www2.eluniversal.com.mx/pls/impreso/noticia.html?id_nota=11425&tabla=miami

     
  2. Boats

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    I'd hate to be on the receiving end of a Barrett 50mm machine gun! :rolleyes:

    It might just be me, but I have to think that maybe the main problem in this story is Mexican nationals with no respect for the law or civil authority on either side of the border, coupled with the famously inept and corrupt law enforcement of the Mexican government.

    Neither of which are new problems. But again, maybe I am the only one who sees it that way.
     
  3. wingman

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    Bull, license=money, got money, got license in mexico. Guess what
    all Mexico needs to do is shut there border off they have enough
    unemployed to do so. :cuss:
     
  4. thereisnospoon

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    Cuchulainn,

    Good to see you ...interesting article
     
  5. Jedi_7.62

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    NAFTA is the answer!

    Free trade.

    I'll give them back 1 illegal mexican and they can give me 1 barret 50 mm machine gun.

    We would all be happy and imagine the crime it would prevent.

    That is what I call a WIN WIN situation.

    I bet if we sent back all the illiegal mexicans that have moved here in the last ten years and they sent us all the american weapons in Mexico we would still have a surplus of cheap labor and Mexico could be free of pesky american guns.
     
  6. geekWithA.45

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    Incidentally, this is a set play from the [​IMG], which reads in part:

     

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  7. ClonaKilty

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    Holy crud this is some of the worst journalism I've seen in years. Where to begin?

    None of which came from any American gun store, even the class IIIs I'd bet (anyone know of a class III dealer who has been robbed lately?). Just keep fanning the flames of misinformation, why dontcha?

    Well it looks like the Mexican press has educated this man according to their wildly misinformed, anti-American agenda. As we all know here on THR, we certainly do have gun control in the US. Last time I bought a gun, I had to have an "exhaustive background check," endure a waiting period, and in CA had my guns registered and was required to have a license to buy a handgun, which isn't too different from what they say Mexico's gun control regs are:

    And this is my favorite part of the story: the point is to contrast Mexico's strict gun laws with America's supposedly "lax" laws. But of course the journalist ignores the blatantly obvious question:

    With so much wonderful gun control in Mexico, how come there is so much gun violence there???
     
  8. DelayedReaction

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    Heck, I'm jealous. Mexico gets access to Barrett's stuff before we do? I want a 50mm machine gun!

    You know what? If they're so concerned about guns getting into their country, why don't they secure their borders?
     
  9. rick_reno

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    President Bush, in an interview with Cavuto on Fox said "I can assure the America people that we're following every lead, that we're doing everything we can to keep us protected." Given this statement, I'm sure our borders are secure. I'm not worried, we've got a friend in the White House.

    Interview transcript here http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158960,00.html
     
  10. Waitone

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    That's rich.

    Mexico complaining about American law and how America's lack of enforcement causes them trouble.

    All of which begs a question. When we start the integration of the North American Community (US, Canada, and Mexico in a European Union kinda thingy) what will happen to US gun laws since our sister countries don't permit paeons and subjects to possess firearms without hassle? Whose side will Bush show up on?

    Since Bush vowed to protect the borders, can I assume he has just committed to putting the back door on its hinges?
     
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  11. Nightfall

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    Amazing how when gun control doesn't work in an area, it's always the fault of another. It's Virginia's fault DC and New York have high crime. It's America's fault Mexico has a high murder rate.

    No wonder I can't get a rocket launcher or 50mm MG ( :rolleyes: ), they're all being smuggled into Mexico! :banghead:
     
  12. armoredman

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    So that's how the Chiapas rebels got thier full auto AKs - bought 'em at Jensen's in Tucson! YEAH, RIGHT!!!
    What a stinking pile of horse dung, but with a state run press bent on running down the US, it's just what Fox told the editors to publish. Mexican citizens will never know the differance anyway. It's ALWAYS someone else's fault.
     
  13. Rebar

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    Well, even though the Soviets and Cubans dumped tens of millions of ak-47s, and other weapons of all types into central America to destabilize and create communist governments, those couldn't have gotten into Mexico, right?
     
  14. Carl N. Brown

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    prohibition fails

    Up to 1968 my home county had prohibition of alcohol. 1968 store sale
    of hot beer for home consumption was legalized, followed by liquor stores,
    then sales of cold beer with meals at restaurants, and finally sales of
    mixed drinks at restaurants.

    Under full prohibition, bootlegging was a real problem: of course, it was all
    the fault of Virginia for having legal liquor. Our prohibition laws would make
    life better, then when it failed, that was blamed on legal alcohol in other states.

    Bootlegging joints sold beer and booze, pot, pills, pistols and porn, and
    served as meeting places for gambling and prostitution. One bootleg place,
    nicknamed the Bucket of Blood, had regular fights. Then the "evil demon
    rum likker lobby" began rolling back the restrictions and alcohol trade
    actually came under some control. Illegal traffic was no longer economic
    and bootlegging dried up.

    Mexico's gun problem is like Sullivan County's alcohol problem:
    restricting legal traffic does not stop illegal traffic. Bootleg smugglers
    are the problem, like the legendary Empress Phoenix Chinese ship
    caught with 2,000 full-auto AK47s in Oakland CA in the 1990s.
    Those grenades, bazookas, machineguns, etc. are not coming from
    Arizona or New Mexico sporting goods stores, and sorry Rebecca Peters
    et alia, restricting US RKBA is not going to stop illicit traffic in military
    small arms by international gangsters.

    You can only successfully ban things that NO one wants, for licit or
    illicit use, like exploding home heaters or asbestos insulation. Banning
    guns or alcohol creates a black market more likely to pander to abusers.
     
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    +1 Carl

    Also, some scum-of-the-earth drugdealers smoked one another with smuggled guns here. I think this is an occasion for celebration!

    1 used gun= $300 cost
    1 dead trafficker= $40,000 per year in savings

    If they smoked an LEO, that's another matter, but here we have an ideal situation - scumbags taking each other out of OUR collective misery.
     
  16. TheEgg

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    I got this far and stopped, because I realized I was wasting my time reading an article written by a pin-head.
     
  17. jefnvk

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    Hmmm...

    And we ask them to stop the illegal people trafficking, and their response? Give a little, get a little.

    Now, I don't really see where full autos and grenades are bring bought in America anyway, for the purpose of being smuggled to Mexico.
     
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    Gotta love carefully worded sentences like these. OK Mr. Journo-Propagandist, since you didn't specify it, in which direction, exactly, are the illegal arms flowing?
     
  19. cuchulainn

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    good to see you too spoon
     
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    As one who works for Mexican nationals, I often ask where one would buy a gun in Mexico if one wanted to avoid bribing the local officials. I often hear the response, "from the police". :uhoh:

    Many other weapons are smuggled into Mexico, not from the U.S., but the southern border of Mexico from South and Central America. Who wants a $400 Mini-14 when you can have a $50 full-auto AKM or a PKM (yes, a PKM!) for $500. :eek:

    I was surprised to hear how many rural Mexicans own .22s officially and many, many other guns unofficially. ;)
     
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    My standard response to anything the Mexican media, or government, says about the US, is...well I can't say that here, so "bite me."
     
  22. Marshall

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    Well, at least someone in the US is getting some money back that the Mexicans send home. :evil:
     
  23. Luchtaine

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    I guess they don't like things crossing their borders Illegally... boo hoo.

    I suggest a new border policy for every illegal they let go across we should send over a gun!

    Besides yes when I was considering pirate hunting the South American Black market would have been the place to accrue weapons, not your local gun store. Which sarcastically means I agree with the above statement their southern border is the problem not the northern one.
     
  24. PinnedAndRecessed

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    Yea, I'm sure they picked these up at the local ********** Walmart.

    Don't like our "liberal" gun laws? Then stay out of America! And don't let the door hit you on the way out, either!

    :fire: :fire: :fire:
     
  25. Carl N. Brown

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    50mm Barrett

    I did not realize that Ronnie had gone into competition
    with Bofors by marketing a 50 mm machinegun. How
    does the 50 mm Barretts compare to the 40 mm Bofors?
    The biggest Barretts I ever fired was .50 inch caliber.
    I'll never make it as a journalist, I'm just out of the loop
    on the latest and greatest. ;)
     
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