MachIVshooter
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Based on my recent experience, this stuff is DANGEROUS!
I hate to have to do this, but the company refuses to take accountability even after I warned that if they didn’t I would take further action. I gave them plenty of time and opportunity to do the right thing before going public.
TLDR: They distributed massively overpressure ammunition we received which we returned to them. They told us it’s fine, that it’s our fault or the gun’s fault there was a problem, refuse to take care of the damage their product caused and refuse to recall or issue warnings about the dangerous product brought to their attention.
Detailed: October 18th of this year we ordered 3 different types of .50 Beowulf ammunition from a reputable retailer. November 5th, we began testing the prototype Caoga non-BMG .50 suppressor with the Bear Creek Arsenal host weapon, a 10.5” AR. First rounds fired were Alexander Arms brand, which we used to dial in the adjustment on the gas block. Then we tried the Precision One 350 gr. XTP loads. First two rounds cycled, 3rd locked the gun up tight. After mortaring the stuck case out, I discovered it was massively overpressure, expanding the case head more than .008”. One of the other cases was also expanded .004” at the head with definitive brass flow into the ejector hole, and the 3rd had primer flattening without significant case head expansion. I do not know what order the other 2 were fired in.
After attempts to contact on November 5th and 6th, it took having the retailer contact on my behalf to actually get a response from Precision One. The ammunition was returned to Precision One with a detailed and courteous but firm email message stating that I expected them to cover the cost of the ammo as well as a bolt and barrel for the rifle it compromised. Radio silence for over 2 weeks, so I reached out and got a BS placatory response. Another week passed without a word, so we sent an invoice for the cost of the ammo and gun parts to get their attention. That elicited a response from the CEO, Michael Scott, who was polite but dismissive, claiming it’s not their problem because the stuff was “produced under prior ownership”. I pointed out that the retailer indicated the ammunition shipped from Precision One well after the alleged ownership change, and that even if there had been changes to corporate structure, this fact does indeed make it his problem. He insisted that I don’t understand their business structure but would now expedite examination of the ammo. No surprise, he says a couple days later “all measurable criteria are within specified parameters” and “we do know is that the firearm you used with the ammunition did not function as intended, for whatever reason. In this case what we can do is a refund of the ammunition only, as it doesn’t make sense to replace the rounds since we have established the firearm doesn’t accept the ammo you purchased even though it is within specifications.” At this point, I never expected a truthful answer, but tried to give them a chance to show integrity anyway. The probability that the 3 rounds I fired were overpressure while the other 37 were fine is so vanishingly minuscule as to be practically impossible.
I rejected the refund for ammunition only. I’m not really concerned with the cost of the ammo, bolt & barrel. It’s peanuts in the grand scheme, and I’m just grateful that Bear Creek’s parts held under pressure that my napkin math says was in excess of 100,000 PSI, more than triple the .50 Beowulf operating pressure. What I really wanted these clowns to do was assure me that they would look into all the ammo from that batch at the very least. I told Michael Scott point blank that I would happily write off the dollar amount if it meant saving someone else having their face or fingers blown off. Just because I was lucky doesn’t mean the next guy will be, and this ain’t the only report online of Precision One slinging dangerously overpressure ammo. I do aim to make sure it’s a lot easier for others to find this info.
Stay safe!
I hate to have to do this, but the company refuses to take accountability even after I warned that if they didn’t I would take further action. I gave them plenty of time and opportunity to do the right thing before going public.
TLDR: They distributed massively overpressure ammunition we received which we returned to them. They told us it’s fine, that it’s our fault or the gun’s fault there was a problem, refuse to take care of the damage their product caused and refuse to recall or issue warnings about the dangerous product brought to their attention.
Detailed: October 18th of this year we ordered 3 different types of .50 Beowulf ammunition from a reputable retailer. November 5th, we began testing the prototype Caoga non-BMG .50 suppressor with the Bear Creek Arsenal host weapon, a 10.5” AR. First rounds fired were Alexander Arms brand, which we used to dial in the adjustment on the gas block. Then we tried the Precision One 350 gr. XTP loads. First two rounds cycled, 3rd locked the gun up tight. After mortaring the stuck case out, I discovered it was massively overpressure, expanding the case head more than .008”. One of the other cases was also expanded .004” at the head with definitive brass flow into the ejector hole, and the 3rd had primer flattening without significant case head expansion. I do not know what order the other 2 were fired in.
After attempts to contact on November 5th and 6th, it took having the retailer contact on my behalf to actually get a response from Precision One. The ammunition was returned to Precision One with a detailed and courteous but firm email message stating that I expected them to cover the cost of the ammo as well as a bolt and barrel for the rifle it compromised. Radio silence for over 2 weeks, so I reached out and got a BS placatory response. Another week passed without a word, so we sent an invoice for the cost of the ammo and gun parts to get their attention. That elicited a response from the CEO, Michael Scott, who was polite but dismissive, claiming it’s not their problem because the stuff was “produced under prior ownership”. I pointed out that the retailer indicated the ammunition shipped from Precision One well after the alleged ownership change, and that even if there had been changes to corporate structure, this fact does indeed make it his problem. He insisted that I don’t understand their business structure but would now expedite examination of the ammo. No surprise, he says a couple days later “all measurable criteria are within specified parameters” and “we do know is that the firearm you used with the ammunition did not function as intended, for whatever reason. In this case what we can do is a refund of the ammunition only, as it doesn’t make sense to replace the rounds since we have established the firearm doesn’t accept the ammo you purchased even though it is within specifications.” At this point, I never expected a truthful answer, but tried to give them a chance to show integrity anyway. The probability that the 3 rounds I fired were overpressure while the other 37 were fine is so vanishingly minuscule as to be practically impossible.
I rejected the refund for ammunition only. I’m not really concerned with the cost of the ammo, bolt & barrel. It’s peanuts in the grand scheme, and I’m just grateful that Bear Creek’s parts held under pressure that my napkin math says was in excess of 100,000 PSI, more than triple the .50 Beowulf operating pressure. What I really wanted these clowns to do was assure me that they would look into all the ammo from that batch at the very least. I told Michael Scott point blank that I would happily write off the dollar amount if it meant saving someone else having their face or fingers blown off. Just because I was lucky doesn’t mean the next guy will be, and this ain’t the only report online of Precision One slinging dangerously overpressure ammo. I do aim to make sure it’s a lot easier for others to find this info.
Stay safe!
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