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a warning to .22 autoloaders

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by gendoikari87, Aug 31, 2010.

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  1. gendoikari87

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  2. Lvl21nerd

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    i keep hearing things all the time about how the quality of Remington ammo had dropped in the last few years or more, and that is just one more thing to add to the list

    OTOH, i have been using Rem .38spl in my revolver lately (only .38spl i can get ATM)
    have had zero issues with it

    but when i used Rem 9mm in my CZ, it seemed noticeably weak compared to my other 9mm ammo, and wasnt as accurate either

    go figure, but when i get that Ruger MKII i keep looking for, i will be sure not to put any Rem (or waxy feeling ammo) through it

    thanks gendoikari87
     
  3. nalioth

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    I'd take anything I saw on youtube with a large grain of salt.

    *cough*rock of gibralter size*cough*

    A lot of these are people who have agendas, or people too ignorant to realize their gun didn't malfunction the way they thought it did.
     
  4. Packman

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    Meh. I don't shoot lead bullets out of autoloader .22's anyway. I've had too many issues with feeding. Buy copper jacketed ammo, it's not that much more expensive in the wally world bulk packs. Load it up and hammer away with confidence.


    On another note...Who doesn't change their target after it's that shot out by 100 rounds? Sheesh, I'd just quit loading the gun. Same effect.
     
  5. bigfatdave

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    Remington Rimfire ammo is crap? Who knew?

    At least the testing on rimfire ammo is cheap, 500+ rounds for ~$20 is a small investment to find out what works and what doesn't.

    Are Thunderbolts optimized for rifles, perhaps? Whenever I have crap .22lr ammo I end up feeding it to my Henry lever carbine, which eats it happily since it isn't a semiauto and the crud doesn't end up in the works.

    Packman, you know that .22LR ammo is plated, not jacketed, right?
    And I've run a bunch of ammo through one target a few times, but I'd agree that it gets boring. That's why I like reactive targets. 100 rounds through a tennis ball on a string or an old kitchen pot is a LOT more fun than any number of rounds onto paper.
     
  6. Oyeboten

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    Just my luck...I bought a Brick of the stuff not too long ago.


    Guy in the video maybe should clean his Pistol once in a while, also, I think.


    In the Video, it looked more like his Bore was eroded, than that it had Lube and fouling, but, hard to say.
     
  7. atomd

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    I've seen a lot of poor quality Remington ammo lately. I had some .357s where the case separated at the rim while firing, the bulk .22 from Walmart that has a much higher ratio of duds compared to Federal and not very accurate in any of my guns either, and also a box of .223 that had a couple of rounds in it that were visibly unsafe to fire. All of this ammo was bought by me within the last year. I'm not going to buy their stuff anymore unless it's last resort. They need to take a good long look at their QC process.
     
  8. bds

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    The copper plating on .22 LR bullets is cheap insurance. With the Walmart plated bulk pack prices why shoot bare lead in .22 LR?

    I can reload 9mm for about twice that of .22 LR prices, so 9mm plinking for me.
     
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    I thought it was funny that the guy in the youtube video acted as if he had never fired T-bolt before! He most certainly has an agenda. What was even more amazing was that there was no mention of FTF's. For Remington rimfire, that itself is surprising. There are some automatic 22LR pistols that will not shoot hollowpoints due to the angle of the feed ramp. And, sometimes, the local store only has one type of non hollowpoint 22LR. I've never had that much fouling when using Tbolt. Almost bet it was 300 rounds of rapid fire to make a video.
     
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    As long as the Yellow Jackets are still good...
     
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    "you know that .22LR ammo is plated, not jacketed"

    I thought it was copper washed. That's even thinner and cheaper, right?
     
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    Even the standard velocity Remington stuff! Did the same thing to my S&W mod 41! Now I just shoot CCI seeing as how Eley and some of the others went through the roof!
     
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    "washed" and "plated" are in the same category, and yes, a lot of them have the thinnest coating of copper possible.
    The point I was making is that .22LR copper-covered rounds aren't a shell so much as a thin coating, they aren't really "jacketed".

    Not that that is a bad thing
    , adding a copper shell would make your ammo into hardball, and guns chambered in .22LR are set up for soft lead or copper wash/plate, I think you'd get a different POI at least, possibly actual problems.
     
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    Thanks for warning my autoloader. ;)

    It's common knowledge that rem thunderbolt is crap. Personally I don't even like their golden bullets, which is a step up. On second thought I don't like to shoot anything but copper plated ammo in my .22s. Federal .22 bulk pack is my favorite. From my experience I get consistent powder charges, good accuracy, function, and not much fouling. Winchester 333 or 555 comes in at a close second. The only reason they are second is because they don't feed as reliably (because of the wider hp) and the fit and finish of the ammo is not as good as the federal (win is a little dirty looking and the bullets are sort of loose fitting compared to the taught, spotless federal).
     
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    don't know about their .22, but i had issues for years with almost every box of UMC garbage i bought. i don't use remington anymore. (their 1911 "R1" isn't exactly of the highest caliber either).
     
  16. gendoikari87

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    How, pray-tel did they manage to screw up a 1911
     
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    Does no one anymore clean their bores?

    Seriously. Rodding that barrel would fix that.
     
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    say what? lol

    are you asking me if i designed the R1?

    you feelin alright there, buddy? :scrutiny: :eek:
     
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    What's wrong with lead bullets in .22LR? The most accurate .22LR I've found has been the CCI Blazer bulk pack and Wolf Match, both a lubricated lead bullet. I've had less fouling from those two rounds than from many of the copper washed bulk packs.
     
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    how many rounds did the guy fire thru his pistol without cleaning it?
     
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    Maybe it's just me

    I shoot the cheapest stuff I can find when I could find it, and clean about once in 100 shots, and have not had the bore or muzzle looking anything like that video. The reason I am cleaning once in 100 shots is I shoot ten weeks of pistol league and only twenty rounds per week. So, roughly, in about 5 weeks, I clean. The rest of the time I let it go.

    Oh, didn't mention that I win using that 'strategy', did I? :scrutiny:

    I do. :p

    I'm thinking somebody was pissed at Remington and made a video to 'complain' about Remington. After all, we all know everything we read or see on the Internet is true, right?

    The Doc is out now. :cool:
     
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    By the same token, not everything you read on the internet is crap. Many have complainedabout Remington's .22LR cheapies.

    I bought my High Standard in the 70's to shoot bullseye. It would never shoot Winchester and doesn't like bulk ammo--especially Remington.

    I've shot a bazillion rounds of Federal and CCI "Target" waxed bullets through it ( 99.959% reliable :), and am not a compulsive cleaner. When I do get around to cleaning it, I really clean it.

    The pistol looks (inside and out) and shoots the same as it did when new, except for one very small exterior barrel mark I put on it when only a few months old---really.
     
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    I like Remington ammo and bullets for reloading. I've had good results with their 22 Mag ammo and especially the Core Lokt out of my Ruger m77 MkII in 30-06.
    They make good rifles.

    But I must say I haven't had much luck at all with the Thunderbolt, even less after they "improved" it years ago.

    There is one other ammo make that will foul like that (at least in my guns). That is Aguila, especially the "no gun powder" load. The Aguila even smells different when shooting it.
     
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    I agree with others that the video maker hasn't cleaned his gun loooooong before he fired the Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt isn't the best rimfire ammo, as we all know, but it still goes bang in many autoloaders.

    I've fired a few bulk packs in my Neos with cleanings after each range session of about 250 rounds. My Neos' bore never, ever looks like that when dirty.
     
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    Most shooters shoot more rimfire between cleanings, my self included, but shooting 300 rounds of cheap-as-you-can-buy ammo and expecting anything but a mess is naive. As others have said, what was the condition of this pistol barrel prior to the 300 rounds?

    I fail to see a point be made other than shooting junk through and unmaintained firearm will result in poor performance.

    I'd like to see the bore after a cleaning from a capable person. Seems to me a few minutes with a bore brush and solvent would take less time than making a video complaining about cheap ammo.
     
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