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ABC Nailed it!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by kentucky bucky, Apr 11, 2009.

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  1. kentucky bucky

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    All private citizens are just too stupid and clumsy to protect themselves against an evil maniac murderer, and if we use a gun to stop a mass murder, we become more dangerous than the mass murderer him or herself. I'm SO glad they set it straight for me. I was under the illusion that good guys with guns were better than bad guys with guns. They also layed out the best plan for a mass slaughter....play dead or do nothing. I wonder if bleeding counts as doing nothing? Anyway, it is also acceptable to ABC if you run away screaming like a school girl and hope said maniac is a poor shot. I also found out that if I use a gun to defend myself in my house the bullets will magically wind up hitting my wife or other family member every time, so once again, I would be even more dangerous than the "Bad Guy". That would make me the real bad guy and I wouldn't want that, so I'm going to hire men in hazmat suits to open my safe and dispose of any "weapon like" device that could in any way be used in self defense to protect my family and the world against ME. I'm going to have the metal melted down and mould it into a 6' peace sign for my front lawn. I think I had better take the points off my kitchen knives too.
     
  2. BhmBill

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    Thank you ABC.

    I was so ignorant for all these years. Thank you for opening my eyes. I now realize that if I do indeed play dead and urinate on myself, the predator/shooter will not harm me. I can now take solace knowing that me defending myself would never work.


    DEEE DURRR. WITCH WEIGH DUZ DA BARELL GO, BOSS?
     
  3. Halo is for Kids

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    ABC showed me...

    A young woman:
    -with little experience
    -a few hours of training
    -carrying an unfamiliar weapon in an unfamiliar holster
    -wearing gloves
    -wearing restrictive clothing
    -wearing an unfamiliar vision limiting mask
    -with no prior notice
    -in a dynamic environment
    -with multiple innocent bystanders moving through her field of vision

    Can take on a trained police officer (whose goal is to shoot one target then direct his full attentions to shooting her) and make a fight stopping hit on his pelvis / upper leg without hitting another person.

    Before we count this incident as a total failure, remember that every other student made it out of the room without being shot.

    A rampage stopped by a CCW holder at the cost of her own life and that of the professor is a tragedy, but we’ve all been repeatedly shown the alternative.
     
  4. oldFred

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    I'm so glad I've been educated that all that target practicing I've been doing is completely useless and that I will kill innocent bystanders and be legally responsible.

    :confused:

    PS. Oh and that a classroom full of armed students can't take out one bad guy.
     
  5. dobrzemetal

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    Well its not a surprise that ABC's little documentary was not evenly balanced? when I watch something like that (I chose not too, this time) I prepare to get angry, because your just going to end up mad at the end of it. Only problem is a lot of people watch these things knowing nothing about guns and believe the hype, sheepeople. We need more Pro-gun docs to educate the retards, although isn't ABC just preaching to the quior or did the ruse of "if I only had a gun" title make you think it was going to be an objective analysis? Its just a facade for anti gun propaganda, garbage.

    You know, what antis don't realize is if they do end up having their way its just going to lead to worse things and more government control. Too many retards ruining this country and the media is not helping us one freaking bit.
     
  6. Tinman357

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    They do know..

    Trust me folks. The .gov antis know exactly what their doing. Disarm "We the People" and they become more reliant on Uncle Sugar. That and they can pass off anything they want. You think that they've done some evil things to this country in the past? Let them do what England and Australia did and they'll do things that Pol Pot, Hitler, Hussein, Stalin and other 3rd world despots never thought of in their wildest dreams of avarice and greed. :barf:
     
  7. AKElroy

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    For the leaders of the AG movement, this is about disarming a dangerous obstacle and weakening an opponent. For the rank & file followers, this is sport. It's about moving the ball a little deaper into in the backfield of the other team. It has nothing to do with guns, and everything to do with winning an argument, winning a vote, and carving out a little more power over the opposition. It's about winning. Defending socialism & villifying conservatives is easy for someone carrying the ball, hoping to gain a yard or two. It's not the guns they are after, it's gunowners; particularly how we vote that they intend to weaken. For the typical liberal, this about winning a political battle. For the leaders at the top? This is about removing a threat to unbridled power.
     
  8. Funderb

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    Unfortunately we live in an age where it is no longer deemed correct and helpful to sacrifice anything for other people. esp. strangers.

    sooo. no, we should all run and hide like babies and look out for number one, but without guns, because guns will creep out of the safe at night and shoot us in our beds.
     
  9. Leanwolf

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    AKELROY, you are 100% correct!

    L.W.
     
  10. JImbothefiveth

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    A better way would have been to have another cop be the CCW'er. Of course, the cop pretending to be the shooter should not know where the CCW'er is.
     
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    I refused to watch but am boycotting the sponsor list that's posted on the other thread for all new purchases. The NRA needs to buy some time and get a special on to show the truth to the Sheeple.
     
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    WOW, I am almost speechless. Where do you even begin?

    -ABC should be ashamed of itself. Absolutely NO CONTEXT given with any of the so called "numbers" that they were spouting in all of the narrative. Nothing about all of these 18 to 21 year old "children" that are counted in these "accidental" gun deaths.

    -The "law enforcement" that was involved with this should be embarrased and ashamed of itself. - If there is a single law enforcement member on THR that disagrees, please, please, let me know what the defense is for that crap.

    -The rest of us should be ashamed of ourselves if we let this crap go unanswered.

    -I didn't realize that CCW permit holders and Cops all wear shirts that are so long you could wear it as a damn dress. Geez, you're telling me you can't get a gun out in seconds when you have a thumb strap retention underneath a shirt that would drown a 8 foot tall man? Good hell!

    -Naturally every child that goes to the gun range is firing automatic weapons, and only automatic weapons.

    -Pahocee, Florida: Just another anytown U.S.A., right? I think that was the portion of the show that was supposed to tear at the old heart strings. ;)

    Pathetic, hilarious, sad, ridiculous, and a complete joke. :banghead::cuss::fire:
     
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  13. jim in Anchorage

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    Well I don't know if this is good or bad but the 100 THR members who watched the show probably doubled ABC's normal prime time rating.
     
  14. Rockwell1

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    I'll give ABC that one due to safety concerns.

    Other than that the only way that test could have been more skewed would be to handcuff the student to his/her desk
     
  15. TRGRHPY

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    Or the attacker.
     
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    That's exactly what this is all boiling down to. These kinds of agitprop have become purely political. The bullrush to disarm law-abiding Americans is gearing up full-tilt. This kind of crap has little to do with "protecting innocents", and everything to do with consolidation of power. This is how the left operates, folks. The media and institutions of learning become the instruments through which the ends are achieved. Please, I'd respectfully ask any of you who are still engaging in self-deception to give up the ghost. This is no longer a game of give and take - this is for all of the marbles.
     
  17. Zoogster

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    Wow I decided to watch it.

    That was probably the best piece of news put together I have seen if from the start you decided the goal was to reduce gun ownership, increase gun control, and make fence sitters unsure about guns.

    They started with a goal, and they nailed that goal, anyone who is not familiar with firearms and the truth should find it compelling.

    Twice during the show they tell emotional and tragic stories where the end result is two seperate children calling upon the President of the United States to please help them and enact more gun control.


    They show good citizens with firearms are more of a danger to everyone, and more likely to die by being armed (with biased simulations with 2 gunmen from two different angles one pretending to be a student in class and one bursting in, both setup to aim at that student after taking out the professor.) They sit the person at the front of the class to be as easy of a target as possible.
    The show then makes a big deal of whether they are getting to cover from a few feet away facing an immediate threat in a room where it does not appear the furniture would even stop a bullet.
    The entire design of the mock shooting was to insure the person failed. I imagine if anyone did great they edited them out of the show.
    They talk about statistics and make the argument running away , pretending to die, playing dead and making no sudden moves (don't panic as they put it) is safer than doing anything to stop the active shooter. That essentialy letting the gunman do his thing while trying to get away, or just giving up and hoping for the best is always the best course of action.


    They have a kid call for legislation to mandate all guns be locked up (sounds like they want the Australian system where the government has to come inspect gun safes, and various requirements are mandated.)


    They make a big deal of guns being too easy to get, as if they are not a right of US citizens, but a deadly liability. They never once mention the intent of the 2nd Amendment, or why the right was considered important. That it really is about protecting liberty from well armed oppression.

    They say they don't know how many of those guns end up being involved in crimes or what happens with any of them, because nobody knows where they go. As if recovered firearms are not routinely traced if involved in a crime.


    They set out with a goal. They achieved that goal, that is a very compelling piece for anyone who is ignorant. I tried to view it as someone that knew nothing about guns or gun laws and it was one of the best fear mongering pieces I have seen.


    No "shoulder thing that goes up" nonsense. They intended from the start to give the appearance of a logical intelligent investigation. We know they didn't because we are educated on the topic, but for someone who is unaware it would seem very compelling.
    A crafty opponent, who put a lot of time and effort into that piece. Not to deliver an unbiased story, but to convince Americans to give up thier rights for thier own good.
    The Antis are getting better.

    Anyone already slightly anti should be clammering for protection from thier right (from the very people that right exists to protect them from), you know at least some "common sense" measures or at least confused if they were a fence sitter.
     
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    Wow I didn't watch this thing, but apparently it was a doozie.
     
  19. jim in Anchorage

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    It was ABC. What did you expect? I have been seeing this since Walter Cronkite had a ashtray on camera. They have forgotten there are not 3 channels anymore.
     
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    Please start sending tasteful, well written, polite emails to the jackasses at 20/20 and Good Morning America.

    20/20 or Good Morning America Link:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3271346&cat=20/20

    I plan on letting old Diane know just how I feel about her "reporting".
     
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    Could you describe the simunition/paintball simulation in great detail please?

    BTW the classroom Cho killed were all lying face-down on the floor in full 'surrender' mode... Even as the people beside them got shot. People's internal programming to fight for survival has been erased, the problem is pretty deep.
     
  23. Rockwell1

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    The paint ball sim had an amateur student with a poorly fitting thumb strap OWB holster buried under a tight, white T-shirt that went almost to their knees. All the students sat in the same seat and the “bad guy” walked in, took one shot at the teacher, and immediately started shooting at the student while everyone else in the class did every thing they could to distract the student. There was know way the student could win
     
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    230RN I wish these woke folks would awaken to reality.

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    I'm for reasonable regulation of the press.

    That's what I'm for, I tell you what.

    Frankly, I could not watch that example of Yellow Journalism for more than five minutes (total). Worthy of William Randolph Hearst at his best. Or worst.
     
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    Funny how the place in FL you can buy guns on any street corner for $60, but somehow closing the 'gun show loophole' in VA will also solve this type of problem?

    You know, if they take all the guns from law abiding citizens and never sell another gun in the US, the criminals will still have guns. You know why? Because they play catch and release all day long w/ these criminals that do the real crimes, so how would that change after all the law abiding are detached from their weapons?

    Lock up the people doing the crimes, when caught, lock em up and make em do the time, no way around that if you want a safer country/state/city. No matter what laws you pass, it doesn't matter if you don't lock up the repeat offenders of misc crimes so they don't escalate, and lock up violent offenders on the first case for a very long time.

    Ridiculous.

    As for the piece it was slanted all the way down. No single opposing view point. They act like no one was ever saved by their firearm, while thousands are all the time.

    I have no problem w/ pointing out the danger and responsibility of firearms and owning/carrying them. That is fine and a responsible thing to do. But this was done in the wrong way. Show how hard it is to defend yourself when they already have the drop on you, and that fleeing or hiding may be your best bet in some circumstances, which is true. But when no other option exists, you're only hope is meeting force with force.

    Cops get shot all the time, if a criminal gets the drop on them and catches them off guard. But the other cops don't tend to take that too well and either apprehend or take out the assailant because they are able to meet force w/ more force.

    The people in the room for example, as mentioned, the single 'ccw victim' was plainly targeted by a trained attacker and placed in a prominent position, known in advance to the shooter, and the victim used unfamiliar and prohibitive gear. All that aside, the truth is someone can get the drop on you like that, and you might die, but what about the guy/girl next to you, or in the back of the room, or in the next room over. They might still have a chance if they are armed, right?

    They turned to using your cell phone for help. So tell me, how does being holed up somewhere w/ a cell phone different than the victims in this scenario. Why don't they put someone armed w/ a cell phone in that position and target them, and see how long they last w/ the cell phone? That would be fun to watch. (not for real, ok)

    But seriously, the people trapped in their house, school, or work place, forced to hide or unable to leave passed the direction of the shooting. If you're not the first group shot by the gunman, would you rather have a cell phone or a gun at that point? I'd like to see those so called journalists in that situation and read their mind at that moment, whether they wished they had a gun or a cell phone. I'd like to have both, and hope I don't have to use the gun, but if it's me or them, or I can stop a lunatic, I would do what I had to do.

    I'm not playing hero here, just saying in that moment, you do what you have to do, if you can flee or hide fine, but if you know the right thing to do is defend yourself and those around you, and you have a tool to do it, you give it your best shot, imo.
     
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