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about the paper work when buying a new gun...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by cajun47, Jan 5, 2008.

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  1. cajun47

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    in louisiana when i buy a new gun from a dealer i have to fill out these papers with my drivers license.

    who keeps these records? just the dealer? or does it go to the state or feds? if so isn't that like registering my guns?

    also if just the dealer keeps this, for how long? i heard 90 days then someone told me its 15 years.

    as many times i did this i know i should have asked but i didn't.
     
  2. Big45

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    It probably is defacto registration but who cares, what are they going to do dynamic entry 50 million homes?
     
  3. Treo

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    Never Happen

    Yeah, if I were you I wouldn't worry about anybody kicking in your door to take your weapon, especially not in Louisiana. I mean come on it's not like the Chief of Police of any town in La word order all weapons confiscated. that would never happen. And even if it did do you really think the National Guard would ignore their oath to " Support and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies foriegn & domestic." And help him do it. That would never happen in Louisianna.
    I recomend you purchase your weapons private sale so there is no record of the sale
     
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  4. OAKVILLE SHOOTER

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    The records are held by the dealer only.
     
  5. cajun47

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    "The records are held by the dealer only."

    any idea for how long?
     
  6. Werewolf

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    20 years or until the dealer closes his doors - which ever comes first.

    If the dealer closes the 4473's go to the BATF. If 20 years comes first - no idea whether he can toss 'em or must send 'em in.
     
  7. Notch

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    "It probably is defacto registration but who cares, what are they going to do dynamic entry 50 million homes?"

    No... What will one day happen will be the announcement of the ban and a time table to turn in firearms. Then after a period of time has passed the database will be checked and letters issued. After that is when the knocks on the doors of owners who have not followed demands will occur. Chances are they will be wearing blue helmets.
     
  8. Ron James

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    I saw a very good site a while back, I will see if I can find it, if so I will post the address. They were selling old military helments that been lined with tin foil. Good price too.:)
     
  9. mossberg

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    In Canada you have to register your guns even from private sale. You have to phone in your pal number and the serial number of the gun. Do you have to in the states?
     
  10. jdc1244

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    It goes state by state:

    http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=74

    Note that some states require a permit to buy a firearm and/or registration. A good number of states report the sale to the state government.

    Also note this is a guide only – the NRA has been know to get laws/facts wrong, mostly due to laws changing all the time. Contact your state’s authorities for up to date information.
     
  11. Redtail

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    It happened during hurricane Katrina. Watch the videos below:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=sm5PC7z79-8&feature=related
     
  12. Robert Hairless

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    What shade of blue? If it's electric blue or anything especially glaring, I'm sorry but I just won't be bothered. When I have my door broken in by helmeted people I insist upon them conforming to an acceptable style code. My neighbors are awfully picky people.

    And I insist upon sufficient advance notice so I can have snacks ready. Only boors would break down my door without giving me sufficient time to prepare refreshments.

    Raise your hands. How many coffees, how many teas? Any soft drinks? No, you in the back there, you already raised your hand for tea. You can't have a Coke too. It'll give you gas. Oh, you want to smoke the tea and sniff the Coke? You're outa here. We don't want no dope fiends breaking down our door. No, look: we already told you this isn't California. You're in the wrong line.
     
  13. The Lone Haranguer

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    In California where I used to live, the dealer fills out a second form not related to the 4473, called a DROS. It has a physical description and serial number of the firearm as well as the buyer's personal information. This is sent to the California DOJ. In other words, gun registration. :mad:

    In Clark County, Nevada (the southern tip including Las Vegas), the dealer fills out a blue card, again with the description and serial number, and sends it to the LVMPD. :barf: And you are supposed to register your handguns upon arrival there (as well as California). I love Arizona, where they don't have any of that nonsense. :)
     
  14. Frightener 88

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    As for Clark county and our little blue cards...Its pistol only. But im still not a fan.
     
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    im betting that it would be the exact same shade of blue as is found on the UN flag... and damned if all my guns didnt get lost in a tragic boating accident right after that announcement was made... you want em? fine... they are about 140 feet down at the bottom of the lake down yonder...
     
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    I actually keep a copy of the paperwork for my records. I have all my Glock paperwork.
     
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    "It happened during hurricane Katrina."

    They went to FFLs and looked up the purchasers?
    That would be a new wrinkle.
    Please post a link.
     
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    Nope, they went house to house and disarmed people.
     
  19. Jeffreii

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    Ahhh....all the junk comes in handy

    Well, after seeing those HORRID videos with outlaw LEO's doing that, I am at least glad that they would really have a hard time findings guns when they are all over the place, not at one place, and im not always there and no one else really knows where they are at. It would really be a long time (much longer than making a receipt which was already too long to do) since the front yard looks like...

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    and the side yard looks like
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    and the back yard looks like
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    and the garage looks like
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    and the inside looks like
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    and vehicles like this
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    I knew all the junk comes in handy!

    I do not believe I could say:
    and do such act. I would refuse and take a dishonorable discharge get chaptered out. They indeed had a very hard time doing that call of duty. God Bless those soldiers.
     
  20. dmftoy1

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    Do the dealer's actually send the old 4473's to BATF when they shut down? It's been forever since I gave back my FFL but it seems to me that the only thing I sent in was my "Bound Book". I'm not 100% sure though so don't quote me. (It was 17 years ago and I've had a few beers since then so the brain cells that knew the answer are probably up in Wisconsin somewhere)

    Regards,
    Dave
     
  21. CajunBass

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    The last thing I worry about when I buy a gun is what the dealer does with the paperwork. Even IF a draconian ban were ever passed what will they do if no one turns them in? They can't get people to turn in guns when they're paying for them, much less when they're not. It's a big success when a "gun buy-back" program gets a handful of guns "turned in" in a city of thousands. How many people did you see during Katrina who turned their guns in? Sure some of them got them taken, but I don't remember hearing about lines of people at the police station waiting to surrender them.

    The logistics of trying to go door to door, or to search through dusty old dealer records to find out what guns I've got just boggle the mind. Think of how many people it would take to physically go through the paperwork and create a database. It would make D-Day look like a Cub Scout picnic. People move, they die, they sell guns, they buy guns. Those records a dealer keeps would probably be more help than guessing, but not by much.

    Sure "they" can pass a law. "They" pass plenty of laws. Enforcing them is different kettle of fish.
     
  22. security6

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    The real question is whether YOU could find all your guns in all that junk. No way anyone else could.
     
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