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Academy sucks (open carry story)

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by p89cajun, Aug 1, 2008.

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  1. p89cajun

    p89cajun Member

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    So I have been open carrying for a couple of months now and frequent the lafayette, louisiana academy a lot, at least once a week. I never had a problem until tonight.

    I was looking at the wrangler jeans when I noticed a worker in his 40's locked onto my para warthog. I hear him call over another employee and tell her to keep an eye on me and then he calls for a manager. I knew I was about to be asked to leave and tried to ask the girl that was "watching me" a question before the manager came. The guy that called for a manager came over and told me that academys store policy didn't allow guns on the store floor and told me how if you buy a gun there they have to walk you out the store. I explained how I knew that process well as I had bought 5 guns from them last year. I asked if I covered it if it would be o.k. He said no he would know it was there. He said to go put it in the truck and next time to leave it there too. Now I was polite and complient the whole time and was even the one who asked if I should leave before they had a chance to ask me to leave but this is where it goes bad.

    When he told me that I couldn't carry concealed and to leave it in my truck next time, I replied with "If that is the store policy I will not be shopping at academy." The guy gets pissed and says if thats the case I need to leave NOW and I guess you would call it "nudged" me towards the door. It was not a full push but there was phisical contact. I remained polite and the other manager walked me to the door. I felt like he had me against a wall cause I had been asked to leave and if I stayed and argued it would be refusing to leave. My mom was with me because she had just taken me and my daughter out to eat while my wife was at work. She went back in and got the guys name who had touched me and I will file a complaint. I gotta give him credit though, I am 6' 300 pounds with a gun on my hip and he still got a little phisical with me. Plus how hipicritical is it of academy to sell you a gun and then tell you they don't trust you with it.
     
  2. SapperMapper

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    Does Lousiana state law allow 'store policy' to override state regulations? Yeah, they can control what employees do, but I'm wondering how, if the state allows open carry, what makes their store so darn special? Particularly since, as you point out, THEY SELL GUNS!

    Idjits.
     
  3. mdao

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    Private property. They don't have to let you on it or sell to you.
     
  4. herohog

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    I'm working off of rusty memory but unless they have proper signage posted, if you have your permit, as long as it is concealed, they can go suck eggs. Walk out, conceal, walk back in and they can't legally do squat.Doesn't mean they won't call the cops or hassle you, but by the letter of the law, they have no leg to stand on.
     
  5. Hypnogator

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    If he physically pushed you, that is an assault and battery.

    Your call whether you wish to file charges or a lawsuit.
     
  6. jahwarrior

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    they can cuss you all they want, and kick you out, but that dude crossed the line with physical contact. you can charge him with assault, physical harassment, and a bunch of other stuff. don't take this crap lying down; go for their throat.
     
  7. p89cajun

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    As far as I understand you can carry anywhere not prohibited by federal law but if you are asked to leave you must comply. When I began open carrying I knew this. It just goes to show academy doesn't care about the 2nd amendment just because the sell guns it is the money they care about. This and how the situation was handled on their part upset me.
     
  8. phantomak47

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    NOTHING GOOD COMES FROM ACADEMY THREADS!!! WHY ARE HIGHROADERS STILL SHOPPING THERE!!!

    sorry about the cap lock, this thread needed it!
     
  9. SapperMapper

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    mdao - Okay, that makes sense. Not seemingly good business sense for a sporting goods store, but I guess it's their choice.
     
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    Yep. If you can't respect the nation's civil rights, you can't have my dollars.
     
  11. halfbreed808

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    Press charges. Press charges. Press charges. Then sue,sue sue.:evil::fire:
     
  12. 8830

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    Forget pressing charges. Go talk to a lawyer and sue them. This whole deal with them is BS. I knew there was reason I don't like shopping there anymore.
     
  13. Lurp

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    I work the gun counter at an Academy and I just mailed my first letter of complaint about their 21+ to buy "tactical" rifles :evil:. Hope I don't get fired ;) . They have good prices, but like any other chain store, are suseptible to stupid policies.
     
  14. FCFC

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    When the man touched you, were you standing still? Did he do it with his hands? Were you facing him when he touched you?

    How big was the guy that "nudged" you? Do you think he might have been armed with a gun or no?

    When he "nudged" you, did you push back or touch him in any way?
     
  15. Huckle2

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    p89cajun - you handled yourself very well, remained calm, and professional. Simply take your business elsewhere but let them know why. If the contact made was a physical assault, you were within your rights to defend yourself. Obviously you did not feel threatened. Don't get lulled into a trivial lawsuit or complaint that will do nothing but waste your time and money! Let it go, shop elsewhere!
     
  16. Mr White

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    Keep in mind that unless you have witnesses, who will testify, that he pushed you, you won't get too far with charges or a lawsuit. I could almost guarantee you that he'll have 2 or 3 witnesses who'll swear that they never saw him make physical contact with you.
     
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    Give them an opportunity to apologize and make things right with a gift certificate. Give them bad press in the media if they don't. If I were a store owner or manager I'd make sure that you received a letter of apology and a gift certificate immediately.

    Press charges for assault and batter if you want to go after the employee. Pressing charges is an action against that one employee, not against the store.

    Sue the store later in civil court if you're bored and have money to burn. The problem with a civil suit is that your injuries were little or nothing. So, you're likely to get little or nothing from a civil suit. The civil suit would be more for effect.

    A letter of apology and a complimentary new gun would satisfy me.
     
  18. p89cajun

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    I don't want to press charges or anything just let academy know how porly it was handled.
     
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    You absolutely need to write a letter to the President of the company, with copies going to every manager down the ladder (Regional, District, etc), advising them of your treatment at one of their stores. If they don't respond, threaten to take it to one of the "investigative reporters" from a local TV station (although they may or may not be interested). Any time this type of action is employed, you will usually get some kind of satisfactory result.
     
  20. Acera

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    p89cajun thank you for not pressing charges. That kind of contact was not an assault. It is that kind of frivolousness that many here are screaming for makes me want to puke.

    You handled yourself as a man, good job.
     
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    I wouldn't chalk that up to bravery, more like ignorance.
     
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    That's actually not true. That is assault and battery. You don't actually have to make contact with someone to be charged and arrested for assault. As for frivolous, that may be true but he had no right to touch you.

    As for witnesses, I guarantee they have more than enough cameras to back your story.

    If it bothered you that much, call their corporate headquarters. Tell them what happened and you are going to press charges if some kind of corrective action is not taken against this guy. If they say they will, make sure they follow up with you so you know they did something.

    In this economy I don't want to see anyone get fired, but if this guy did make contact with you, then idiots like this need to be disciplined.
     
  23. TallPine

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    You should press charges, or just forget about it :rolleyes:
     
  24. Rmart30

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    I dont know if I would threaten them but I dang sure would write letters and back it up by calling the corp office a few times and having the story heard or read by enough people to get some attention drawn to it.
    I would also emphasis if it is the "co policy" for a employee to lay hands on a customer. (we all know it isnt) Most companies policy will be to call the PD and have them handle anything other than verbal.
     
  25. FCFC

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    That's very true. In retailing, one of the primary rules is "Don't touch the customer."

    Although it is always possible for laying hands to happen, it would be highly unusual.

    And for it to happen to a guy that is 6' and 300 lbs would be extremely unusual! (How big was the store employee, I wonder...).

    And for it to happen to a a 6'/300 lbs. guy with a gun would be.....astonishingly unusual.

    I wonder if there is something missing from the account we've read. I don't know. One thing that I do know is that one side of an adversarial account seldom is a complete picture of the event.

    It would be good to get the store employee's side of the incident....

    Still, if the store employee did "nudge" the OP, the OP exhibited a considerable amount of restraint by not reciprocating. Good on him.

    OTOH, if the above incident was not totally described by the OP, then Academy in Lafayette may be getting some unjustified bad word of mouth.

    Hard to tell.
     
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