natedog
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how accurate are the remington 710's (the ones with the synthetic stock and only a $400 price tag). would you say that its a MOA rifle? sub MOA? thanks
accuracy of a remington 710
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About a year ago, I posted this same question on TFL. Wally World was selling the 710 for under $400, including scope and rings. Most people recommended against it, saying that it was a cheap knock-off of the 700.
Almost everyone recommended the 700 instead. From what I understand, Rem 700s are to rifles what 870s are to shotguns.
Try searching at TFL for info on it, too.
Almost everyone recommended the 700 instead. From what I understand, Rem 700s are to rifles what 870s are to shotguns.
Try searching at TFL for info on it, too.
Legionnaire
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I do not own one, but handled and shot a friend's. I wish he had talked to me before he bought it. I was not impressed by fit the or finish. Bolt was sticky, and the trigger was heavy and had some creep. The scope that came with it was of lesser quality than I would want on one of my guns. I was able to get groups around 1.5" with the gun using factory ammo (Remington, I believe; can't tell you anything more specific).
My opinion was that this gun is fine for someone who shoots no more than a box of ammo a year to sight in and take his or her deer. A "shooter" will want something better. If you want a low-cost gun, the Remington 700 ADL synthetic is a better gun. And take a look at the Savages. Either is better bang for the buck than the 710 ... Remington's version of the PC Jr.
My opinion was that this gun is fine for someone who shoots no more than a box of ammo a year to sight in and take his or her deer. A "shooter" will want something better. If you want a low-cost gun, the Remington 700 ADL synthetic is a better gun. And take a look at the Savages. Either is better bang for the buck than the 710 ... Remington's version of the PC Jr.
natedog
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what would you say is the most accurate 700 from the factory (no custom work)
Art Eatman
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natedog, they all seem to have pretty much the same trigger quality. I don't care for the apparent flimsiness of the "plastic" stock on the ADL. (The synthetic stock on their Titanium rifle is excellent.)
I'd venture that a heavy-barrelled version, with a 20" or 22" length will "lead the pack" in accuracy, since those barrels are stiffer.
Cartridge? You're on your own, since one can handload and tailor a specific load to one's own rifle. Odds are, the short-action cartridges will be a bit better for best accuracy; again, stiffness of the system.
FWIW, Art
I'd venture that a heavy-barrelled version, with a 20" or 22" length will "lead the pack" in accuracy, since those barrels are stiffer.
Cartridge? You're on your own, since one can handload and tailor a specific load to one's own rifle. Odds are, the short-action cartridges will be a bit better for best accuracy; again, stiffness of the system.
FWIW, Art
is a great rifle
Doesn't matter what all the 700 diehards say about the 710, its still the absolute best bang for the buck period.
Sure the 700 is an awesome rifle, it has been and will continue to be, but to place it up against the 710 and then some how have the nerve to knock it is just ridiculas.
The 710 early models did have problems in 2002 but have long been worked out. At wally world for $325 you can get a 30-06 with a decent Lupoid scope and put 3 outta 5 rounds inside a quarter at 100 yards right out of the box. (once sighted which is easy and quick)
For someone to say that the 710 isn't a good rifle is an idiot. They are made at the new plant, use alot of the 700 trigger mech and have teflon process for self lubrication. Sure the bolt is a little different but the throw is nice and it doesn't stick like the early ones. Simple at 22 parts its a great rifle for the frugal an cheap like myself.
For the price it cant be beat, even if you could get a 700 for $500+/- the 710 would still be a better deal and I won't stoop to the level to even compare it with a Savage or any other rifle in its class. They make a 270 and a 7mm as well as the 30-06 but the latter rounds are cheaper and the cartridge has proven itself since 1906 nealy 100 years.
So all you rich people that can afford to trick out your 700's to the tune of thousands of dollars great, I am happy for you but don't knock the 710. Others like me will love the 710 for both accuracy and price.
The ONLY change I would make to it thus far out of the boxis a mil-dot scope although the stock lupoid is more than adequate for most shooting.
Doesn't matter what all the 700 diehards say about the 710, its still the absolute best bang for the buck period.
Sure the 700 is an awesome rifle, it has been and will continue to be, but to place it up against the 710 and then some how have the nerve to knock it is just ridiculas.
The 710 early models did have problems in 2002 but have long been worked out. At wally world for $325 you can get a 30-06 with a decent Lupoid scope and put 3 outta 5 rounds inside a quarter at 100 yards right out of the box. (once sighted which is easy and quick)
For someone to say that the 710 isn't a good rifle is an idiot. They are made at the new plant, use alot of the 700 trigger mech and have teflon process for self lubrication. Sure the bolt is a little different but the throw is nice and it doesn't stick like the early ones. Simple at 22 parts its a great rifle for the frugal an cheap like myself.
For the price it cant be beat, even if you could get a 700 for $500+/- the 710 would still be a better deal and I won't stoop to the level to even compare it with a Savage or any other rifle in its class. They make a 270 and a 7mm as well as the 30-06 but the latter rounds are cheaper and the cartridge has proven itself since 1906 nealy 100 years.
So all you rich people that can afford to trick out your 700's to the tune of thousands of dollars great, I am happy for you but don't knock the 710. Others like me will love the 710 for both accuracy and price.
The ONLY change I would make to it thus far out of the boxis a mil-dot scope although the stock lupoid is more than adequate for most shooting.
Sorry, Art, I couldn't resist the fisking.
Lupoid scope? You mean the one in the picture of the Remington 710 below with the big "B" on the windage turret cover?
That would be the Bushnell version of the Lupoid scope family, I'd wager.
A decent Leupold scope, on the other hand, is often worth more than a Remington 710.
For the record, Remington 710's are made and sold to people who don't know they can have a better rifle, for just a few dollars more. Remington 700's and Savage 110 rifles aren't the domain of rich folks, btw. Do a search on 700 ADL, say over at Gunsamerica.com or Auctionarms.com, and let me know how horribly expensive those are.
In case I hadn't done so, welcome to THR, warezdog.
Lupoid scope? You mean the one in the picture of the Remington 710 below with the big "B" on the windage turret cover?
That would be the Bushnell version of the Lupoid scope family, I'd wager.
A decent Leupold scope, on the other hand, is often worth more than a Remington 710.
For the record, Remington 710's are made and sold to people who don't know they can have a better rifle, for just a few dollars more. Remington 700's and Savage 110 rifles aren't the domain of rich folks, btw. Do a search on 700 ADL, say over at Gunsamerica.com or Auctionarms.com, and let me know how horribly expensive those are.
In case I hadn't done so, welcome to THR, warezdog.
jefnvk
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What the last two said. Definitely not a Leupold scope, midrange of those cost more than the combo.
If you want a cheaper combo from Wally World, go for the Savage combo for around $350 IIRC.
Not to mention the safety problems with bolts blowing back on the 710's, I don't know if they fixed that or not.
EDIT: BTW, at Wal-Mart, I dont believe there is a big difference between the 710 and the low end scope, and the 700 with no scope.
EDIT AGAIN: I don't even see 710's listed in Wal-Marts online catalog. 700's start at $400, Savage 111 combos at $330.
If you want a cheaper combo from Wally World, go for the Savage combo for around $350 IIRC.
Not to mention the safety problems with bolts blowing back on the 710's, I don't know if they fixed that or not.
EDIT: BTW, at Wal-Mart, I dont believe there is a big difference between the 710 and the low end scope, and the 700 with no scope.
EDIT AGAIN: I don't even see 710's listed in Wal-Marts online catalog. 700's start at $400, Savage 111 combos at $330.
Chawbaccer
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Take your 710 to a gun shop and see what they will give you in a trade
They have a self lubricating bolt, the ones I've seen have white grease smeared on them tho.
In the same price range as the 710 at walmart there will be Savages, Weatherby Vanguard, the Mossberg ATR, plus maybe a 700 variant.
They have a self lubricating bolt, the ones I've seen have white grease smeared on them tho.
In the same price range as the 710 at walmart there will be Savages, Weatherby Vanguard, the Mossberg ATR, plus maybe a 700 variant.
Ifishsum
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I own a 710 (ducking) and accuracy is fine for a hunting rifle. Mine has given me no problems and has taken a couple of elk. It is not a POS, but it does have shortcomings - the biggest being the mushy, sometimes sticky bolt. Trigger was not good out of box, but decent with a little adjustment.
I also own a couple of Savages, and for the same price range I think the Savage package is better. You can also get a Stevens 200 (a Savage without the accutrigger) and put decent glass on it. All budget combos I've seen come with really cheap scopes.
I also own a couple of Savages, and for the same price range I think the Savage package is better. You can also get a Stevens 200 (a Savage without the accutrigger) and put decent glass on it. All budget combos I've seen come with really cheap scopes.
cracked butt
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I've seen a few of them shot before and every one of them gave pretty good accuracy with factory ammo. I still wouldn't want one even if someone gave it to me.
Uncle Alvah
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"Quality remains when price is forgotten."
I sure am glad I tuned in to this thread. Didn't realize that I'd spent "thousands of dollars" on my VS and VLS. I have a distinct memory of paying under $500 for the VS and just over $500 for the VLS. (Granted, both were purchased a few years ago.) I've had the gleeful experience of closely examining a couple of 710's out at our local range. I can't think of a worse rifle available for public consumption. I wouldn't take a 710 as a gift.
Well I'm not rich - I'm frugal in fact, like you. In fact, the only rem 700 I have I bought used, as I considered them too pricey new. But the Savage 10/11/12 is a better gun in my view, for about the same price as a 710 (Ditto CZ 550, Howa/Vanguard, and Chuck Daly mauser). In fact, a Stevens rifle is as good or arguably better than a 710 for a lot less. The Mossy 100ATR is comparable for a lot less. I wouldn't say the 710 is crap, but there's definitely better values out there, seems to me....
In any event, to answer the question, if you can get what Legionnaire got - 1.5" with factory ammo at 100 yards, it's a fine gun and plenty good for hunting purposes. That's a very respectable group, and easily within minute-of-bambi out to 300, with a good rested shot.
ruger270man
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I'd stay away from a 710. I've never shot one, by I cycled the action.. felt very cheap, like a plastic, poorly finished toy. The same feeling I got when I drove my brothers girlfriend's cavalier..
for the money, go with a Savage 110. You can beat em, and theyre accurate as hell right out of the box.
for the money, go with a Savage 110. You can beat em, and theyre accurate as hell right out of the box.
Whoa
These posts make one thing obvious...almost none of you have tried this rifle. "Oh, I saw it in a magazine and it sucked." or "My friend had one and let me feel the magazine."
Really meritless posting to be sure. If you have bench-fired this rifle you'd be surprised. IF you do a lot of shooting. I have several rifles of the 700 variety and found this one to be a nice addition to the old cabinet. IN NO WAY a POS. That is a bogus remark. A cheap gun, yes. A less than perfect action, yes, a might sticky. The trigger on this one, though, is adjustable and shoots SWEET. I mean sweet. I was really surprised by this .270. I did replace the scope with a Redfield, though.
Anybody who wouldn't take one if it was given to them needs to contact me because I will.
BTW, I like the Savage combo, too.
These posts make one thing obvious...almost none of you have tried this rifle. "Oh, I saw it in a magazine and it sucked." or "My friend had one and let me feel the magazine."
Really meritless posting to be sure. If you have bench-fired this rifle you'd be surprised. IF you do a lot of shooting. I have several rifles of the 700 variety and found this one to be a nice addition to the old cabinet. IN NO WAY a POS. That is a bogus remark. A cheap gun, yes. A less than perfect action, yes, a might sticky. The trigger on this one, though, is adjustable and shoots SWEET. I mean sweet. I was really surprised by this .270. I did replace the scope with a Redfield, though.
Anybody who wouldn't take one if it was given to them needs to contact me because I will.
BTW, I like the Savage combo, too.
itgoesboom
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Slinger,
Very few people have said they would never take one, even if it was given to them. Very few have said it is a POS.
But on the other end you have someone, on his first post no less, claiming that it is an incredible rifle and deal.
Ignore both ends of the spectrum and you will find the main advice has been that the 710 works, has decent accuracy for a hunting rifle, and is probably not as good a deal or quality of other rifles @ the same price point or even lower.
I.G.B.
Very few people have said they would never take one, even if it was given to them. Very few have said it is a POS.
But on the other end you have someone, on his first post no less, claiming that it is an incredible rifle and deal.
Ignore both ends of the spectrum and you will find the main advice has been that the 710 works, has decent accuracy for a hunting rifle, and is probably not as good a deal or quality of other rifles @ the same price point or even lower.
I.G.B.
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